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Cougar Has Claws, Hiker Has Pistol

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Michael Zeleny, May 14, 2004.

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  1. Michael Zeleny

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    http://www.latimes.com/news/yahoo/la-me-lion14may14,1,6059148.story?coll=la-newsaol-headlines

    ORANGE COUNTY
    Cougar Has Claws, Hiker Has Pistol
    A Santa Ana Mountains encounter ends safely, the gun carried because of January's killing by a big cat.
    By David Haldane
    Times Staff Writer

    May 14, 2004

    A jogger who says he pulled out a handgun to protect himself from a mountain lion near Modjeska Canyon said Thursday that he'd been carrying the weapon in his backpack since two cyclists were attacked in January — one fatally — by a cougar in the same area.

    "It gives me a sense of security," said Dave Cody, 25, an Air Force Reserve pilot who says he has used the gun in training. He said he was carrying the gun legally, and authorities have not said otherwise.

    "If the lion had started running toward me," he said, "I'd have had a much better chance of survival. Prior to [the attacks], I never carried it with me, and I don't carry it anywhere else."

    Cody, a Trabuco Canyon resident, said he did not shoot at the cougar during Wednesday's encounter. He said he retreated up a hill before using his cellphone to call authorities for help.

    In January, the two mountain bikers — Mark Reynolds, 35, who died, and Anne Hjelle, 30, who was seriously injured — were attacked in Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park, about half a mile from where Cody says he saw a mountain lion. The animal that attacked the bikers was later killed by sheriff's deputies.

    Cody said he was out for an afternoon jog near Modjeska Grade Road and Santiago Truck Trail when the cougar leaped onto the trail about 20 feet in front of him.

    The cat jumped down "a 5-foot embankment onto a pretty narrow trail," he told KCAL-TV Channel 9 news. The animal, he said, "stopped and stood there on the trail looking at me."

    Cody said he pulled his handgun out of his backpack, retreated up a hill and called 911 on his cellphone. The only other way out, he said, "was right near the lion." Within 10 minutes, he said, the Orange County Sheriff's Department brought in a helicopter and flew him out.

    Though Cody said he doesn't know of any other joggers or bikers carrying weapons since the January attacks, "I've heard from other [people] that there are other people who carry guns out there."

    A spokesman for the Sheriff's Department said Thursday that he wasn't aware of any similar cases and hopes that none exist. "From a police officer's standpoint," Lt. Hayward Miller said, "I don't believe it's a good idea for them to carry weapons out there. I believe there are an adequate amount of resources to protect the public."

    Cody said he agreed: "My advice isn't that people need to carry handguns but that they never go out alone, stay close to the people they're with and always be alert."

    An official with the California Department of Fish and Game said Thursday that the animal seen by Cody is not a threat to the public.
     
  2. jamz

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    "From a police officer's standpoint," Lt. Hayward Miller said, "I don't believe it's a good idea for them to carry weapons out there. I believe there are an adequate amount of resources to protect the public."

    Idiot. :banghead: So what he's saying is that becuase those hikers were killed, either he is lying, or failed to do his job. Everyone should call him personally when they want to go hiking on these trails, and he can protect them.

    -James
     
  3. sumpnz

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    :rolleyes: ('nuff said)
     
  4. thumbtack

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    Tell that to Mark Reynolds, oh wait a second you can't can you.
     
  5. ysr_racer

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    Right down the street from my house. (by Cooks Corner)
     
  6. Chuck Dye

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    I would be happier with this story if: 1) the hiker had at least put a round or two into the ground near the cat, imparting or reinforcing the idea that humans are not pleasant to be around if you are a cougar, and B) there had been some indication that the hiker will be billed for the $700+/hour the chopper ride cost taxpayers.


    Edited to clear sloppy construction and punctuation.
     
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  7. El Tejon

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    Finally someone understands what to do!!!:cool:

    See animal, kill animal, spike head on stick, animals then leave humans alone.

    Memo to rugged, hairy-chested individualists: Shoot the &^%$# critters.:D
     
  8. Sawdust

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    Here is my email to the Orange County Sheriff's department (pio@ocsd.org):

    As you know, David Cody had an unexpected meeting with a mountain lion in the Santa Ana mountains earlier this week.

    Mr. Cody was carrying a pistol for protection, and drew it as he backed away from the lion. Fortunately, the lion did not charge...but what if it had?

    Not too long ago, in separate incidents, Mark Reynolds and Anne Hjelle tangled with a lion in the same area. Mr. Reynolds is dead, and Ms. Helle severely injured. Would there have been different outcomes if the two had been armed? Most likely, yes.

    Yet, here is the statement that appears in the L.A. Times from your Lt. Hayward Miller:

    "I don't believe it's a good idea for them to carry weapons out there. I believe there are an adequate amount of resources to protect the public."

    This is unbelievable to hear. Mr. Miller cannot possibly be sincere. I would like to know if you think that Ms. Helle would agree with that statement? Of course, we can't ask Mr. Reynolds.

    Look, we know that the sheriff cannot be everywhere at once, and it is impossible to respond in time to all situations - especially in wilderness and rural areas.
    You and I both know that if Mr. Cody was not armed, that cat could have eaten him for lunch before any officer could have intervened.

    It is time that law enforcement realizes that law-abiding citizens, properly trained in the use of firearms, are an asset to the community.

    We should not be vilified and castigated simply because we choose to rely upon and protect ourselves.

    Sincerely,

    XXXXXXXXXXXX


    Sawdust
     
  9. manwithoutahome

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    Great Letter Sawdust.

    I disagree with what the hiker did. If he had a shot, he should have taken it. Because of his inaction to kill the lion, it now has a chance to go out and kill others, which now is going to be easier, since the copper has told future "meals" to not be armed and to call him so he can "protect" them.

    M.
     
  10. sturmruger

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    Good letter Sawdust.

    It never ceases to amaze me how most of the urban LEO prefer that everyone be unarmed.
     
  11. Andrew Rothman

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    The hiker did right, legally and morally.

    There is no particular reason to shoot wildlife on sight.

    If kitty had attacked, of course, all bets would be off, but killing it just for existing would be wrong.




    In a separate query, why the heck did they bring in a bloody helicopter? Why didn't the guy just leave the way he came -- away from the cougar?

    Sheesh. What a place.



    Still, I thing we owe mad props to the LA Times for even printing the story.
     
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    Another vote of "good letter sawdust"

    ysr_racer,I know that area well.Is cooks corner still there?Used to go in there for a beer..Is it still a "biker bar?"
    Used to 4X in those hills and Holy Jim Canyon/o'niell park.
    Ahh, memories....

    Racing the road between cooks & the park,what fun...
     
  13. Atticus

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    Cody said he agreed: "My advice isn't that people need to carry handguns


    but that they never go out alone,stay close to the people they're with and always be alert."



    Baaaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaa
    :scrutiny:
     
  14. Diggler

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    I think that Lt. Miller should put his money where his mouth is. He should disarm himself and go jogging on these very trails every evening, with nothing more than a cell phone. Let's see how well he can follow his own advice.

    @#$*ing hypocrite.
     
  15. killermarmot

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    well atleast he has the option, You're not aloowed to pack on any of the trails I hike on. I mean acouple of em are in beserkely. I know, I know, I'm sure you all pray I don't get knocked out from the horid odors of hippies. It's so sad the berekely hills are such a nice hike with lots of critters to watch, it has to get spoiled by all the tofu worshippers. Strangely I don't see many of them on the hiking trails they're mostly down town begging for change. I'd rather carry there then on the trail sheesh
     
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    Kali Fish & Game said the kitty is no danger so what's your guy's problem? They probably interviewed the cat's lawyer who claimed his client is a vegeterian and was just upset because the jogger stepped in his tofu. You can't make this stuff up. Well, actually I did:eek: but.........hmm? :scrutiny:

    I'm a little fuzzy since it was awhile ago but didn't Kali residents take up a collection for a cat that was killed/injured/terrorized by some dead person?:banghead:
     
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    My anti gun brother, who won't even go fishing because he doesn't like to kill animals, is going to spend a week in Alaska's wilds with myself and my father.

    He di ask if we'd be taking our guns.
     
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    Problems:

    1. Hiker was alone

    2. Gun was in BACKPACK. Hello?!?! If the cat wanted him, he would have been down before he ever saw it. He would probably not been able to get the gun out of the backpack.

    3. Although the cat did NOT want him, and he pulled the gun, he did not fire a warning shot. Warning shots for people are stupid, but I think it may have given the cat a little more respect for humans.

    4. The cop's attitude. "I believe there are an adequate amount of resources to protect the public" The PUBLIC, not INDIVIDUALS. :rolleyes:
     
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    Oh, to clarify what I said earlier:

    Large Cats are territorial. Since this was "the same area" that the other folks were attacked, and one killed, then odds are this was/is the same Cat.

    Once a wild animal loses their fear of humans, and have tasted human blood, they seem to like it better then game and will continue to attack.

    Just like the ranchers did in the old and present times, anytime you have a Cat that is killing livestock, they hunt it down and kill it, since they also know that big Cats are VERY territorial and will mark a very large area.

    So, in my mind, this IS the same cat that killed the bicyclist.

    This Cat is dangerous.

    This hiker did not destroy it.

    This Cat WILL kill again, and again, until it is stopped.

    Hence the reason I stated that the hiker did wrong by not destroying the Cat.

    Don't get me wrong, I love animals and am especially fond of the big Cats, but when one goes bad, they must be destroyed.

    M.
     
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    That guy was dumb for even taking the gun. I would have at least fired off a couple rounds to scare the cat away. If the cat did not run off I would have a "brand spanking new" cougar rug in my living room. Some people.........
     
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    "From a police officer's standpoint," Lt. Hayward Miller said, "I don't believe it's a good idea for them to carry weapons out there. I believe there are an adequate amount of resources to protect the public."
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    I think we are all in agreement in raising the BS flag on Lt Miller on this one!

    :scrutiny:
     
  22. Gordon Fink

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    While I’m glad this story turned out to be semi-positive, I have to wonder why it was a story at all.…

    By the way, the cat suspected of attacking the cyclists has already been killed.

    ~G. Fink
     
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    For some reason, the majority of Calif, lion attacks are in Orange and San Diego Coun

    Calif Dpt of Fish & Game has a list of lion attacks on humans for the last hundred years... Most are in Southern California in Orange, and especially San Diego County. Had one in Stanislas county a couple years ago where a cat attacked a coyote hunter armed with a rifle = adios kitty :evil:

    Hopefully the Sheriff of the county where Lt. Miller made his balderdash statement will have a few words in 'private' with the officer:cuss:
     
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    An official with the California Department of Fish and Game said Thursday that the animal seen by Cody is not a threat to the public.

    Say again??:confused: An official said? An official what? An official dumbass maybe! How can one make a statement like that. Did this so called official perform a Vulcan Mind Meld with such animal and can vouch for its disposition against any and all humans? Notice how the "official" remains un-named. What a crock of horse manure!:cuss:
     
  25. odysseus

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    Question:

    What is the law in Cali regarding carrying firearms in parks during hikes? That is are there any resources that describe packing? Obviously concealed is one thing and open carry is also another? Sounds like the hiker was legally carrying, there was no arrest or citation. Was this a state park?

    Outside of a campsite I have not seen anyone open carry... so are they concealing legally? I am a little confused by this article.
     
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