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Court Officers 2A rights being violated!!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Sig 226 .40, Dec 9, 2009.

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  1. Sig 226 .40

    Sig 226 .40 Member

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    Yesterday, NYS Court Officers got slapped in the face..our Chief, Jewel Williams, has demanded that we register ALL of our firearms. Including any and all rifles and shotguns. Our Unions have stepped up to stop this illegal order. Per agency regs, we all have provided copies of our CCW permits. The issue is the providing of our other gun info. She has obviously forgotten what the US and NYS constitutions actually mean. Its totally inconcievable that the very entity that is in place to protect our rights and libertys is trying to infringe upon them!! These are the officers that ensure that our judges go home safe every night. This has to be stopped!!! more to follow as it develops....
     
  2. kermit315

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    I thought all guns were registered in NYS?
     
  3. jn1965

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    Only pistols. Long guns are not registered.
     
  4. Norinco982lover

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    That is crazy... fight it!
     
  5. Sig 226 .40

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    Negative..handguns Yes, rifles and shotguns in the NYC area Yes...rifles and shotguns North of Westchester County...NO. Upstate, I can go into any gunshop and after a NICS check...the rifle or shotgun I pay for is mine. There is no longgun registry in upstae NY.
     
  6. kermit315

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    Good luck fighting it......that just sucks.
     
  7. REOIV

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    I just hope the McDonald case goes through and NYC can eat a big steaming bowl of...
     
  8. NavyLCDR

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    I have a hard time digging up sympathy. Why should the 2A rights of court officers be any more important than those of everyday citizens? Why should there be any more outrage over this than any other action taken by NYS or a NY judge to infringe upon the rights of every other citizen?

    Yes, I understand that she is attempting to require you to do something not required of every NY resident, but New York state requires every other citizen to do things against the 2A that most US citizens in other states don't have to do.
     
  9. Golden_006

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    Yeah I agree with Navy. Why should you get special treatment? The State and local gov't is the main violator of my Constitutional rights so you get no sympathy here. If you're going to plead 2A, then I should get the same rights also.
     
  10. MisterMike

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    Since when is demanding that one's Constitutional rights be observed considered "special treatment"? We should stick together to fight each and every encroachment on our rights.
     
  11. Tim the student

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    I don't think anyone is saying they are.

    I don't think there is any more or less outrage about this than any of the other stuff.

    So, how does this makes it acceptable?

    What special treatment are you referring to?
     
  12. sheepdog

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    Every win in a 2A area...

    ...blesses us all....and every loss hurts us all...I hope they make her eat her officious, domineering, illegal menu....none of her official business what weapons they own except the ones they carry in the course of their employment...
     
  13. NavyLCDR

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    All I am trying to say is that I feel no more outrage over this than over any other unconstitutional gun control. How about this:

    US Military 2A rights being violated!!

    1. Can't possess a firerarm on base.
    2. Prohibited from lawfully carrying a firearm in uniform whether on base or not (except for the rare firearm issued for official duty and then that is only when actually performing those specific duties) either concealed or openly, with or without a permit.
    3. If assigned to government quarters, most installations require Commanding Officer's permission to keep personal firearms in quarters AND registering ALL firearms with base security.
    4. Prohibited from possessing any firearms or ammunition in single Sailor's and Soldier's barracks.
    5. Likely to face CO's punitive action if a firearms related incident occurs, whether or not the individual actually was doing anything illegal (IE: Cop doesn't like a military member lawfully open carrying a firearm so he calls the base on him.)
    6. US Army General in charge of all Alaska Army forces forbidding the concealed carry of firearms by any Army personnel stationed in Alaska, on or off duty, in uniform or not (that order was in effect last year and I have not heard of it being rescinded).
     
  14. damien

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    What is the rationalization for the Judge's order? Did she express one? I have a difficult time undetstanding what she believes this is the solution for. If someone already has a registered handgun (and you all do since you are court officers), why does she want to know if you have a long gun? It isn't like you are going to conceal it and sneak it into court, after all. Any idea what the logic is behind this order? She worried you are going to get irritated with her and start sniping at her from 500 yards out? :scrutiny:
     
  15. Tim the student

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    Ok, my bad. I got your position now, but I hope you can see how your post confused me.
     
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    Being in the military is a horse of a different color.
     
  17. TexasRifleman

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    The thing is that it's groups like the union here that are a part of the problem. They sit quietly as OTHER classes of citizens are denied their rights. Only when their OWN members are threatened do they jump into the fight.

    If they had been taking the right side of the argument all along it likely never would have gotten this far.
     
  18. divemedic

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    Because being in the military means that you have no rights under COTUS?
     
  19. cassandrasdaddy

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    no draft? you enter military service knowing that you will sacrifice some rights
     
  20. TexasRifleman

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    Somewhat correct. You do in fact sign away some rights and agree to live under the UCMJ instead.
     
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    Wrong. The UCMJ is subordinate to the COTUS. How can it be any other way? COTUS created the Congress, which created the UCMJ.
     
  22. ChaoSS

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    The military is different. You virtually sign away your life when you enlist, at least for the period of your enlistment. They own your body and soul.

    For non military, I think it is important to fight any and all infringements upon the 2A. This is not asking for special treatment for Court Officers, only that they don't receive special treatment in the wrong way.
     
  23. TexasRifleman

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    If that's the case then someone should challenge the Clinton ban on firearms under the Second Amendment yes?

    It's not nearly that simple from what I've read. The military restricts the First Amendment on a fairly regular basis.

    Lots of examples of restricting rights under UCMJ in the articles I've read on this.

    DOD 1300.17
    DODs 1334.10 & 1325.6
    Article 138

    So it seems to be pretty muddy to me anyway. I don't know much about it but there seems to be a lot of concern over the subject.

    Anyway, probably not the right thread for that.

    Here is an article that I read a while back about this "Military Honor and Decency act of 1996" that a lot of people say restricts First Amendment rights in a big way.
    http://www.robsworld.org/dishonor.html
     
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  24. NavyLCDR

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    EXACTLY! The union screams, OMG! Look at this horrible infringement! And I say, Well, duh, it happened to the rest of the residents of New York decades ago.
     
  25. gc70

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    This is precisely why you should be outraged over the situation with the NYS court officers. It is fundamentally unfair that the firearms rights of members of the military are infringed - solely due to their employment - when they are off base and off duty. The same type of infringement based on employment is being perpetrated on the officers of the NYS courts.
     
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