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Crappy gunsmith ruins my Big Dot sites on my PM9

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Greg Bell, Jan 30, 2004.

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  1. Greg Bell

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    I finally took my PM9 to a gunsmith to have my big dot sites installed. I went to a place called AArdvark arms in Warner Robins, Georgia. I actually had my USP compact in the car with a set of Meprolites that need installing. I was going to let him put them on too. Man did he do a crappy job. The sites are on (slightly askew) and the guy "boogered" the front site up pretty bad. I guess I should be happy he didn't ruin my pistol too. I can't believe I paid him. At least I saved the HK.

    :banghead: :cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :fire:
     
  2. George Hill

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    I feel your pain. I've been bit by this sort of thing before. This is why I did this:
    http://www.madogre.com/Gunsmith Directory.htm
    A listing of RECOMMENDED gunsmiths. There are gunsmiths all over the place... and not all of them are worth the trouble... just for this reason. A good gunsmith is treasure. No you know how much of a treasure.

    Just be glad you didn't ask for a trigger/action job. Oh man!
     
  3. Kestrel

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    Yep - it's happened to me. I bought a "customized" gun from a reputable smith that is known for his work on another type of firearm. When I received the pistol, the front Trijicon sight looked like he had put it in while drunk and scratched up his baked-on finish as well as the front sight. Then it looks like he just painted the scratches - and not a very good job, either. I still get mad when I think about it.

    I've hesitated to send it back, fearing what else he would butcher trying to fix it.

    Steve
     
  4. denfoote

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    So, what are you going to do to force him to make it right??

    If he works for a shop, then I would be after them to buy you a new gun!!! If he is independent, then a claim on his business insurance policy may be in order. As a last resort, a talk with a Liar...er...I mean Lawer may be in order!!
     
  5. Greg Bell

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    Denfoote,

    Actually, I am a liar...doh!, Lawyer. :D He just banged up the front site, not the gun itself. Frankly, it isn't worth the hassle. I'm just a little wiser now. And I'll be telling all my friends not to go to Aardvark Arms.



    GHB
     
  6. Rhinodogg

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    "Denfoote,

    Actually, I am a liar...doh!, Lawyer. He just banged up the front site, not the gun itself. Frankly, it isn't worth the hassle. I'm just a little wiser now. And I'll be telling all my friends not to go to Aardvark Arms."

    Hey denfoote, hows that "foote" taste? :cool: Just kidding. I couldn't resist
     
  7. quick68

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    Greg Bell,
    Where is Aardvark located exactly? I have bought from Chucks in Warner Robbins, but never heard of Aardvark. I usually get any gunsmithing I need done in East Dublin at Oconee Bait.
     
  8. PCRCCW

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    This is just my situation with a crappy/experimenting gunsmith. He basically trashed a gun of mine beyond repair.....he would have had to replace the frame. I got a gun of his worth what mine was in trade for the gun he ruined.............
    Shoot well.
     
  9. another okie

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    I have read that Kahr sights are quite tricky and should be done by the factory. You are not the first to experience such a problem.
     
  10. Josey

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    WHOA! I know Art. I have done business with him and bought firearms from him. He is active in CAS and has treated CAS shooters, Land Rover and collectors well and honestly. I suggest you rethink this post and return to the shop and complain. This is a disservice. You are a adult and should know better. Aardvark Arms is reputable, honest and will solve a problem IF you will tell them about it. Whine, whine and more whine is childish.
     
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  12. Greg Bell

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    Josey,

    " I suggest you rethink this post and return to the shop and complain. This is a disservice."

    You will forgive me if I am less than concerned with doing the man who ruined my sites "a disservice." He certainly didn't seem to care about the service he gave me.


    " You are a adult and should know better. Aardvark Arms is reputable, honest and will solve a problem IF you will tell them about it. Whine, whine and more whine is childish."

    Take a look at the attached picture. Do you really think he didn't know that he did a poor job? Return it? I would never let him touch any firearm of mine again. And frankly, I felt I owed it to my fellow firearms enthusiasts to warn them of my experience.
     

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  13. Carbonator

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    That looks pretty bad. No way I would have accepted that.

    I don't think it is unreasonable for Greg to post this here, because Aardvark must have been aware of doing such a shotty job. How can you miss that damage? That's not a misunderstanding, that is bad intent. Aardvark was the one doing the disservice, not Greg. If Aardvark had no knowledge of the problem Greg would still be in the right to post a negative experience - the fact that Aardvark tried to pass the damaged item on to a customer makes Greg more than justified in posting.

    Obviously Aardvark took a risk in hoping Greg wouldn't say anything, now he is saying it over the internet. That was Aardvarks gamble and they lost. The internet - the great equalizer.

    If I were Greg I would have not paid the bill, and demanded that all damaged parts be replaced or paid by Aardvark. Small claims court as a last resort - a lawyer will most likely cost too much for this.
     
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    Yes. That looks bad. You are a lawyer. You advise clients. If a client has a problem, do you take out a full page ad in the local paper? You should complain to the vendor first and document all contacts. You are upset and even angry, it shows. Calm down and go back to the shop and complain. I would like to know what is done to satisfy a disgruntled customer.
     
  15. tomkatz

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    Yes I believe the kahr sights are a bit tricky as my local gunsmith kept two of my kahrs overnight to put them on(glocks and others he does while you wait). Both were perfect jobs, my point being a local smith can do the job if he knows what he's doing :rolleyes: .....

    I would not blame greg for not letting this guy touch my gun again, but I would demand that he hand me some new sights....and he probably won't but I'd feel better just letting the guy know how I felt about his "work".......tom
     
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    Why do you ask?

    Just because I seem to have have bumped into a ethical one, it doesn't mean that all of them are any :cuss: good!!! :D :evil: :neener:

    What do you call a plane load of lawyers that has gone down with all hands in the Alps??? :neener:

    My Trijicons were factory installed. Justin did a very good job!!!! :neener:
     
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    My first instinct is to give the fellow a chance to fix a screwup before i start complaining about it. But, on the other hand he had a chance to fix it before he took your money for the job. its obvious that he did crappy work. And if he is willing to let workmanship like that leave his shop then i see no reason not to tell people that. A lot of smiths would NEVER let something like that have their name on it.
     
  18. TheFederalistWeasel

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    I have seen the pistol first hand and it is as bad as the photo presents it.

    I’ve also shot the gun and it appears to be “acceptably†accurate even after the mangled site instillation.

    It’s not so much that the Gunsmith botched the job, were all human and we all make mistakes but when he gave the gun back to Greg he quickly closed the deal without so much as a, “Hey buddy I boogered up your ole peeeestola real good!†or a “Umm… Mr. Bell let me show you what happened while I was installing your sitesâ€. Then, maybe offering a no charge or a store credit, or the honorable thing of ordering him a new set of sites, which Greg would have taken in a heartbeat and that would have been the end of the story.

    :(
     
  19. Sean Smith

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    Simple goof-ups are one thing, a grotesque disservice to the customer is quite another. I'd put that front sight installation in the latter category. I'd also tell the guy to piss off.
     
  20. Garand'06

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    Denfoote:

    A GOOD START?!?!?!:what:
     
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    denfoote,

    Let me assure you... I agree with you 100%.
     
  22. Greg Bell

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    Rhinodogg, Denfoote,

    I tend to agree...sadly.
     
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    You MUST be joking. I don't care what he has done before, this guy is clearly a HACK and worse yet gave this back to a customer in this condition as a job well done. I don't think there is anything to rethink. The only disservice would be to let others take there guns there. If he was as reputable and honest as you said he would have admitted he made a mistake and ordered a new sight and did a proper job or sent it out to someone capable. There is no excuse for that no matter how hard anyone tries. WHOA is right!!
     
  24. denfoote

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    Garand'06,

    BINGO
     
  25. Gordon

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    I would have posted just the way you did! A real gun smith could have AT LEAST cleaned up the buggery with needle files or a dremel and polished and touched up the results so you would not have to resort to this bad word of mouth advertising. He obviously didn't give a rat's butt to hand you such trashy mucking! This turkey is a loser big time and if I lived in the area I'd be glad to know about it.! This is what the internet is all about IMHO and pictures don't lie!:fire: :cuss: :barf:
     
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