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"Criminals are most afraid of armed citizens"--Need help!

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  1. VirgilCaine

    VirgilCaine Member

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    Does anyone actually have a link to a survey or data or something that says that?
    I've tried Googling but I've not gotten anywhere. I tried looking on www.keepandbeararms.com, but they don't have much about this subject.

    Also, helpful would be something about how just displaying a gun will deter criminals.

    Any help would be appreciated!
     
  2. TexasRifleman

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    Yes this comes from a crime report put together I believe by the FBI a few years ago.

    They did in depth interviews with felons convicted of using guns in crimes and this was one of the popular answers.

    The reason given was that cops would generally react in known ways so at the very least responses could be predicted.

    Unfortunately I don't have a copy of this anymore.

    It was a very long pdf document intended for use by law enforcement agencies in training on criminals use of guns.

    I have not seen a copy online anywhere in a long time.

    It was discussed here and other gun forums when it came out, maybe someone else has a copy.


    And of course the anti response to the whole thing was "They are felons, you can't trust what they tell you anyway".

    So.......
     
  3. VirgilCaine

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    Well, darn, that doesn't bode well.
     
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    In states with widespread gun ownership and tough punishment for gun misuse, criminals surveyed were often unarmed: 54% in Oklahoma, 62% in Georgia, 40% in Maryland, 43% in Missouri, and 35% in Florida. In Massachusetts, however, only 29% of the felon-respondents were unarmed. In that state, it is difficult lawfully to acquire a firearm, and the illegal carrying of a firearm, rather than the criminal misuse of a gun, is subject to the mandatory penalty. The survey data indicate that the criminals' fear of an armed victim relates directly to the severity of the gun laws in the state surveyed. Where gun laws are less restrictive, such as Georgia and Maryland, criminals think twice before running the risk of facing an armed victim; they are much less concerned in Massachusetts.

    Fifty-six percent of the felons surveyed agreed that "A criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun;" 74% agreed that "One reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot."

    A 57% majority agreed that "Most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police." In asking felons what they personally thought about while committing crimes, 34% indicated that they thought about getting "shot at by police" or "shot by victim.

    Taken from

    NRA-ILA The Armed Criminal in America
     
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  6. Phil Lee

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    The original source of the "criminal fear armed victims" is a book by Wright and Rossi. The book is quoted in GUNS AND JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE: DETERRENCE AND DEFENSE, Lawrence Southwick, Jr.

    Wright and Rossi (1986, p. 145) found that 74 percent of criminals agreed with the statement, "One reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime."[29]

    Reference 29 is J. Wright and P. Rossi, Armed and Dangerous A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms (Aldine: 1986), p 145.

    Wright originally reported their results to the Justice Dept. since they were working for them in doing their survey. I guess you might find that report in a government archive somewhere.
     
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  7. shameless

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    Thanks Phil,

    I could not remember the title, so googled, and the above came up.
     
  8. 41022collector

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    The subtile click of a hammer being jacked or a safety going off..... that sound can be heard loudly and it is deafening to a criminal.... as well as the rage of a Pump Shotgun being jacked.... when they thought they were alone or in the home of someone not armed. Those sounds are the "Damn," in the criminals mind.

    I know from personal experience that just having a loaded firearm with and bared, will stop the completion of a crime.

    It is not just the firearm, it is the look in your eye that they will see, knowing you can and will protect yourself, your family and your property. That one good stare is often much better than pulling that trigger, but them knowing you will gladly pull that trigger if they choose for you to do so. .

    Just some thoughts

    Regards,
    Mike
     
  9. Frank Ettin

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    You might find that information in Armed and Considered Dangerous by Wright and Rossi. It looks like is was recently re-issued.
     
  10. Double Naught Spy

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    Of course burglars avoid homes where people are at home because they don't want to get shot, but also they don't want to get spotted and end up in some sort of chase or get caught. It is why they are burglars and not robbers.

    Avoidance of people by a burglar makes everything easier. There is no rushing about, no running for safety, much less risk of injury from gun, knife, bat, fist or other weapon, and a greater likelihood of actually getting away with the loot.
     
  11. t165

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    This might be a bit off topic. As a rookie I was surprised that groups of angry individuals were not always respectful of multiple Police Officers. Perhaps knowing just how far they could go and having a good idea as to how far LEO's could go played a large part. However, all it took was just one K-9 with a serious look on it's face to get the unruly groups attention. This happened without fail. They might know what we were probably going to do but the dog had a way of dispersing an angry group more effectively than several large LEO's. Heck, I paid attention to those teeth also, some of those K-9 units didn't really seem to mind if they bit a disorderly citizen or an LEO...they just enjoyed biting! :)
     
  12. CBR600RR

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    Try checking out the following link. Here in Wisconsin we have open carry only and our AG is pushing for people to start using their rights to carry.

    http://www.opencarry.org/
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5kNJTC26Qo


    john stossel has done this a few times, one of his videos has him talking to a group of criminals and they state it. IIRC he also cites sources on this.

    this one appears to be post heller, post VT, but I know for sure he did another one before this.
     
  14. TimRB

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    If you can't find any suitable statistics to support your claim, you can always invoke the gun-grabbers' favorite argument: "It's just common sense." Ironically, this specious argument is almost unassailable if you stick to it.

    Otherwise, here is a treasure trove of crime statistics:
    http://ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pubalp2.htm

    This 1991 survey of state prison inmates is particularly interesting:
    http://ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/sospi91.htm

    Tim
     
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