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Critical Duty 9mm

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by beeb173, Apr 20, 2012.

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  1. beeb173

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    should i be worried that these rounds wont expand from the 3" barrel of a Kel Tec PF9? I'd rather not go to a +p round.
     
  2. Loosedhorse

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    They're brand-new--I just got some to try last week--so I don't think anyone's done a lot of gel tests for us yet. What Hornady says:
    Sounds like they're suggesting you stick with Critical Defense for pocket guns.
     
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  3. bigfatdave

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    the only way to find out would be to test some
     
  4. rcmodel

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    The new Critical Duty is designed for law enforcement use.

    To be used in service size handguns, and shoot through car doors and auto glass.

    It would be a poor choice for a PF-9.

    Critical Defense is what you should have bought.

    rc
     
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    And... That ladies and gentlemen is why I carry Gold Dot short barrel rounds.
     
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    still got my black talons
     
  7. joecil

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    I also use Speer Gold Dot short barrel in my 9mm and 45 acp for SD ammo. It just plain works.
     
  8. beeb173

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    i would like to see a test. am i making a wrong assumption that this (or any) bullet is designed to "work" at 50 yards therefore at < 20 yards it would "work" even out of a shorter barrel?
     
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    HA!
    If you need a round to generate a media frenzy and actually do nothing special, that should do it!
     
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    Do a test then. I'm sure plenty of other people want to see a test too.
     
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    joecil, works for .38 spl. and .357 also. Gold Dot SB for me please.
     
  12. fastbolt

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    When the manufacturer clearly states a particular ammunition line is NOT optimized for short barreled, concealed carry style handguns, I'd think that's a pretty obvious hint. http://www.hornady.com/support/critical-duty-and-critical-defense

    Besides, until such time as this new design/load has been subjected to rigorous outside testing, and has actually acquired a history of successful application as a working service load, I'd not be ready to discontinue my use of other modern, well-developed and established defensive hollowpoint loads. That's just me, though.
     
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    I've never done one so the results would be pretty unreliable.
     
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    And what does the old Black Talon load will do that modern ammunition won't do as well or better?
     
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    I just put that in because rcmodel mentioned Critical Defense.
     
  18. cluznar

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    I use Hornady Critical Defense 115 gr in my Ruger SR9c for carry.
     
  19. smalls

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    Which is a completely different round than the Critical Duty.

    Critical Duty was supposed to address the shortcomings of the Critical Defense. IE; the light bullets, under penetration, and not being able to go through glass and car doors. It was meant for duty work, out of duty sized guns.
     
  20. Sig Bill

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    Try the Winchester Personal Defense 147 gr HPs. It's what I carried when I had my PF9. They loses less velocity than the lighter bullets from a short barrel. Sometimes I carried Win PDX1 124 +Ps instead of the 147s.

    I'm a member on KTOG and some reported that they can't shoot 147s out of their PF9s so you'll have to test yours.
     
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    Stick with critical defense or similar, the critical duty is loaded for "duty" sized pistols. For short barrel concealed carry ammo i like the speer gold dot short barrel loads.
     
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    I've shot both the 9mm and 40 out of my Rugers SR9C and SR40C, they shoot just fine those are 3 1/2 inch barrel guns. I didnt do expansion tests but there are one or 2 on youtube. I wouldnt be afraid of using them at all. A lot of what is said is for marketing, people use a lot of ammo for self defense marketed as Law Enforcement Ammunition. They run out and buy it just because it is designated for Law Enforcement. Smart advertising.
     
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    So, just looking for a point of edification. Most of my handguns have barrels ranging from 4.1-4.25 (one is 3.6). For the longer ones, should the Defense round still be used? Or is the Duty round 'better'. Or is it just that the 'Defense' round won't work properly in shorter-barreled weapons?
    That is, for longer barrels, does one have the luxury of choice, based on likely use (not liking how this is worded but you get the point I presume)? Accepting that my likely, no uniform use is shooting paper where I use FMJ's.
    B
     
  24. AdamSean

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    I don't feel bad about using them in a barrel 3.5" or longer. But I don't think you will get the same data from a barrel less than that such as my Beretta Nano, a Ruger LCP or a Kel Tec PF-9. I would use thebCritical Defense or other ammunition designed for short barrels. I still like a heavy 147 gr in 9mm so I am usingbthe Hornady TAP FPD. Still looking for some Gold Dots though.
     
  25. M1key

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    What will "new" ammo do that older proven ammo won't do? There ain't no magic bullet. They must still penetrate deep enough and hit the "kill switch".

    Some good ones here courtesy of Dr Gary Roberts:

    Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
    Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
    Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
    Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
    Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
    Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
    Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
    Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
    Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
    Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
    Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
    Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)



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