critical duty comes in boxes of 25 instead of 20 for my +p winchester rounds i usually carry. so the reason i asked was because its a non +p round thats less expensive (or the same price for 5 extra rounds). the short barrel specific ammo that i've seen is all +p. i guess until someone does a test out of a PF9 into gel or wet news paper, i wont know for sure.
are you claiming that the Critical Duty round expands while in transit to the target?It put a huge hole through my test target which means it put a lot of energy into the target and had to spread a good bit to produce a hole like that.
What was your test target? This ammo shouldn't expand in anything but hydraulic medium, so if your target was something other, I wouldn't be impressed with your results*It put a huge hole through my test target
I would like to see a gelatin test that proves this?should i be worried that these rounds wont expand from the 3" barrel of a Kel Tec PF9? I'd rather not go to a +p round.
Gee I've never seen anyone talk about how a bullet expands through a piece of paper. Can you cite a reference?
When the manufacturer clearly states a particular ammunition line is NOT optimized for short barreled, concealed carry style handguns, I'd think that's a pretty obvious hint. http://www.hornady.com/support/critical-duty-and-critical-defense../QUOTE]
Or could it be that the company might want to continue/perpetuate sales/profits in both lines of ammo (Defense&Duty?). Hornady also clearly states that the Duty line will fire fine in ALL handguns but we do need to see tests for Duty from compact pistols pertaining to expansion (many other SD loads from other vendors as well). Worse case and you have the misfortune of a perp attack today using 9mm Duty in say, your P11, chances are the bad guy won't complain.
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Worse case and you have the misfortune of a perp attack today using 9mm Duty in say, your P11, chances are the bad guy won't complain.
Hornady also clearly states that the Duty line will fire fine in ALL handguns
No, worst case is that it acts like a FMJ, because it doesn't expand. It goes through the attacker (which was a non fatal, non stopping hit) and he continues his assault, and the round hits an innocent bystander...
FYI (and note that I do not agree with it) but in a court of law you will have a better chance defending yourself in a shooting with FMJ....
You've been reading too much internet myth. Please cite a legitimate reference where what kind of bullet used in a self defense shooting landed someone in prison.
If you go on trial for a self defense shooting, the prosecution thinks you are in the wrong. They will try to portray you as a murderer, by saying that you used killer bullets, and that you carry a gun to kill innocent children, etc. Your (and your attorney's) job is to prove that what you did was to save your life. It doesn't matter what kind of gun you used, or what kind of ammo it was loaded with. That's ridiculous.
1) 1989, Philadelphia cop is killed by .38 slugs from police passing through
a felony suspect;
2) 1990, Univ. of Arizona campus, officer A fires at suspect and bullet passes
through suspect's ARM and goes on to kill officer B;
3) 1990, So. Cal., L.A. sheriffs "became embroiled in a shootout with an armed
robber". Badguy ran into the doorway of a mom 'n pop convenience store. Mom
was behind the badguy when police fired, bullet passed through the badguy,
mom died, badguy lived.
Those are just a quick search, and are police shoots.
Obviously, though, over penetration is a concern.
You honestly don't think that if one of your bullets that leaves your gun over penetrates your target, and hits an innocent bystander, you're not going to suffer the consequences?
NYPD has paid out on several lawsuits in the past, because they didn't want to change from FMJ to JHP's, and innocent people were struck by interpenetrating rounds.
You've been reading too much internet myth. Please cite a legitimate reference where what kind of bullet used in a self defense shooting landed someone in prison.
You honestly don't think that if one of your bullets that leaves your gun over penetrates your target, and hits an innocent bystander, you're not going to suffer the consequences?