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Crossbows: 'archery' or 'shooting?'

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Odd Job, Sep 6, 2007.

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Is using a crossbow 'archery' or is it 'shooting?'

Poll closed Sep 26, 2007.
  1. It is archery, because the projectile is an arrow that was propelled by the action of a bow.

    56.5%
  2. It is shooting because there is a trigger and traditional sights/scope.

    43.5%
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  1. Odd Job

    Odd Job Member

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    What is your opinion...is using a crossbow 'archery' or is it 'shooting?'
     
  2. News Shooter

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    No!!!

    I don't even think compound bows constitute archery
     
  3. wheelgunslinger

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    This topic has been flogged into dust on various archery forums to the point that posters have been kickbanned or put on probation. It's quite an emotional topic for the archery world.

    Personally, I subscribe to the stringgun camp's philosophy, at the moment. A stock, sights, and a trigger mechanism preclude it from being archery.

    The main challenge with archery is aligning both the bow and your body in the correct position. The crossbow removes this challenge by its design.

    I don't believe that crossbows are evil. I don't think that those who disagree with me or use them and love them are the spawn of Loki. And, I'm glad that hunting regulations provide exceptions during archery seasons for the handicapped to use them instead of a bow.

    But, imho, crossbows are shooting and not archery.
     
  4. MachIVshooter

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    Well, the act of using a bow is still considered shooting, whether it is a longbow, recurve, compound or crossbow.

    Beyond that, I don't think we can really consider the use of a crossbow to be archery. Closer to using an airgun, really, in that it stores energy created by the user, but does not require that the operator resttrain that energy.

    Colorado DOW only allows crossbows during rifle season, so I guess I'll go with that.
     
  5. MD_Willington

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    I'd consider a crossbow to be a hybrid.. how eco-friendly.. LOL
     
  6. ArmedBear

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    My state's Fish and Game laws consider hunting with a crossbow to be "shooting," unless you have a physical disability that precludes using a bow, in which case it's "archery."

    How's that?
     
  7. REOIV

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    It is shooting but with an arrow.

    Though I really don't see why there is so much fuss about them.

    They were invented to make shooting a bow easier for someone with less skill and also invented to be able to shoot a bow much more powerfully.
     
  8. News Shooter

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    Hold on

    Robin Hood out shot the Sheriff's men with crossbows with his long bow.
    I know because I saw it in a movie
     
  9. benEzra

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    Both.
     
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  11. Bazooka Joe71

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    You need a neither option.

    And a both option.



    I vote neither though.
     
  12. Gunnerpalace

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    Well lets see here it fires a "bolt" or also know as an arrow so it is archery look at its historical context, and on a side-trip these have been banned throughout their long history, in MI you need to be disabled and get a special permit to hunt with one (and when you go to get that permit you get the whole "well since you are disabled you really should not be hunting" deal). Basically the Crossbow is a shoulder fired bow.
     
  13. exar

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    It's a bow. It's just a bow made for the King's conscripts. A conscript with a crossbow can much more cheaply kill a knight. It could take a good decade to become proficient with the English long bow. To the OP, I say archery.
     
  14. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    I'm pretty sure it's not a firearm either way.
     
  15. ArfinGreebly

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    You Left Out An Option

    You forgot "catapulting" as a category.

    The slingshot, the trebuchet, the crossbow, the onager, the ballista (crew served crossbow), and probably some others I've forgotten are all tension-powered weapons (as opposed to combustion-powered).

    The bow (longbow, short bow, recurved bow, even the compound bow) is unique in that a) the tension is entirely in the bow body (as opposed to the e.g. the band in a slingshot) and b) the trigger is the archer's hand & fingers. The string harnesses the tension of the bow and allows the archer to impose tension on the bow.

    So, a "hurling' device that uses springs, twisted cable, counterweights, elastic bands, and the like, especially one having a trigger mechanism, would be a different class.

    I would class them as "catapults," allowing archers to have the purity of their sport.

    [Note: I be makin' this up as I go. Feel free to embellish.]
     
  16. Cosmoline

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    Really? Wow. It seems pretty clear to me. Shooting requires the release of pressure either from compressed air, black powder explosive, or smokeless powder propellant. Archery requires the relase of tension from a string of some sort. So maybe the catapult is a form of archery, but the crossbow is not a form of shooting. Where's the pressure? Where's the barrel? Triggers and scopes do not make the firearm.

    Whether the crossbow or compound bow or whatever are allowed as weapons for hunting in a particular GMU at a particular time is a completely different issue. I'd like to see the special seasons include any primitive non-firearm weapon from spears to selfbows. But exclude compound and cross bows.
     
  17. RoadkingLarry

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    A real hot button topic in traditional archery circles. As someone who makes primitive selfbows from Osage and Hickory and hunts with them in the regular archery season a crossbow is a far cry from what the folks that worked to get the archery seasons in place intended. No different than any other tool but IMHO no place in the regular archery season fro able bodied people.
     
  18. deadin

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    I don't know, I always "shoot" an arrow, not "arch"? it.:D
     
  19. Cosmoline

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    Isn't it "loose"
     
  20. CWL

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    It's all shooting. "shoot" was used as a word long before firearms were adopted.

    People get "shot" by arrows, bolts, bullets.
    Nobody gets "arched" by an arrow...

    This is clearly differentiated from other missle weapons:
    Nobody gets "shot" by a spear, javelin, dart...
    Nobody gets "shot" by a catapult, ballista, onager, trebuchet...
    Nobody gets "shot" by a bomb, cannonball, mortar round, artillery strike, rocket barrage...
     
  21. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    Not true, I was once shot by an atlatl. :(
     
  22. ArfinGreebly

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    Archery

    Deciphered:
    A bow, in its original form, formed a curve, or "arc" in the lingo of the day. So the bow is the arch and what you do with it is archery.

    So, if you really wanted to push it, any tension-catapult device, including the crossbow and ballista using an "arch" as its tension spring could be said to be included in "archery."

    However, for most people (and especially "archers") that won't fly.

    Gun people have a similar issue with "pistol" and "revolver" ("well, that's not a pistol, it's a revolver!") even though the original packaging for Colt's Revolving Pistol made no such distinction.

    So, I'm guessing, if an "archery" club wanted to filter out crossbows, they'd have to make it a definition in the bylaws.

    The phrases ". . . including the following [-list-], but excluding the following [-list-] . . ." and ". . . hereinafter referred to as . . ." spring to mind.

    You just can't leave it up to "everybody knows," 'cuz "everybody" knows something different.
     
  23. Zeke/PA

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    Archery is archery and a crossbow is suppen' else.
    Zeke
     
  24. Hogfan1911

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    All I know is I bought one because I found it in Bass Pro's outlet store for like 75% off. Was still in the box wrapped in plastic. Thought about selling it for a profit, but Dad has an old elbow injury that keeps him from using a regular bow (any type), so I kept it so he could use it.
     
  25. Atticus

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    Neither really. I use fat, heavy bolts to shoot through heavy brush and light thin bolts for long shots and better expansion. :evil:
    It launches an arrow of sorts. It requires less skill than a bow for sure, but still has many of the same limitations. I don't see how anyone could construe it as shooting.
     
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