Craig: I don't question the sincerity of Bingaman. But he is attempting to rewrite tort law. We've always said the individual is responsible for their acts. It is my understanding those minors acquired the gun off the street. You heard Sessions talk that the first assumption you never make is that a gun is unloaded, until you yourself have determined it is not. Rather than leave criminal misuse out of ‘reasonably foreseeable'. We don't think that is how this argument should be approached. The case that the Senator speaks of is tragic. But again, we have to go back to the underlying principle of responsibility. It is the INDIVIDUAL that is responsible, and their actions. There are lawsuits filed for the purpose of draining the resources of a company they personally believe shouldn't be in business, in this case a business talked about by our Founding Fathers in the Second Amendment. I hope my fellow Senators would object to Bingaman amdt.
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braindead0
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Does that mean it's over for today? I can't watch it here, so I'm downloading the live video at home...and have no idea what's going on ;-)
Bingaman: To me this amdt is a question of wether we will hold gun mfgs to the same standards of other mfgs. Or are we instead passing a law that says if you're selling a gun, forget the high standard. It holds mfgs to a much lower standard. That isn't the best public policy. In this circumstance, the case I've talked about, you've got 3 teens, one whom acts negligently, and one injured. No doubt the negligent should be subject to liability. There is a good argument that if this gun had been designed properly, there would have been a warning, or something to keep it from firing without a magazine. This bill bars those lawsuits. I urge my fellow Senators to support my amendment.
EDIT for a word where it shouldn't be.
EDIT for a word where it shouldn't be.
Bartholomew Roberts
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They are voting on Bingaman amendment to gut S.1805 now...may or may not be more debate after this but haven't heard of any votes scheduled.
Some of these statements astound me. "Holds manufacturers to the same standards" ***.
Do we sue lawnmower manufacturers when an idiot runs over their child with one? No. But we should sue Gun manufacturers for making a product that SHOOTS WHEN THE TRIGGER IS PULLED?!?!?!
Do we sue lawnmower manufacturers when an idiot runs over their child with one? No. But we should sue Gun manufacturers for making a product that SHOOTS WHEN THE TRIGGER IS PULLED?!?!?!
dustind
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Someone needs to say "all pistols will fire with the chamber loaded, that pistol was like every other."
Do they know how many car accidents happen every year because someone takes off in reverse, when they meant to drive forward. Car mfgs know about it, but no one sues them. They would be laughed out of court if they tried. It is forseable.
Do they know how many car accidents happen every year because someone takes off in reverse, when they meant to drive forward. Car mfgs know about it, but no one sues them. They would be laughed out of court if they tried. It is forseable.
sturmruger
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I am a little confused, what exactly are they voting on right now. Is it one of the ammendmants??
Bartholomew Roberts
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OK, all I caught was Lautenberg: No, Hutchinson No, Stabenow: Aye
If Lautenberg is voting against it, then Bingaman must be dead, dead, dead.
If Lautenberg is voting against it, then Bingaman must be dead, dead, dead.
Andrew Rothman
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They are voting on the Bingaman amendment to weaken the immunity. Is anyone counting ayes and nays? There are just under five minutes remaining.
TheOtherOne
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Yeah, still 4 minutes left in voting on the Bingaman amendment but so far I'm hearing more No's then Yes's.
dustind
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... few missed
hutchenson n
... many missed
collins n
cockran n
nelson n
roberts n
enoway y
johnson n
brough n
cantwell y
clinton y
miller n
burns y
hegal n
colt y
inhoff n
allen n
bockis n
lincoln n
jeffords n
dashale n
bond n
snow n
bunning n
hatch n
sinunu n
cornin n
sessions n
allard n
dayton n
nicoles n
mr enzy n
mr harkin y
burns n
chamblis n
shelby n
ensin n
craypo n
mr cryor n
alexander n
mr grassly n
feinstein y
nelson y
libermen y
warner y
talent n
dominichy n
landrew n
specter n
mis mikulski y
sarvings y
cyled n
santorum n
fitsgerald y
conrad n
hutchenson n
... many missed
collins n
cockran n
nelson n
roberts n
enoway y
johnson n
brough n
cantwell y
clinton y
miller n
burns y
hegal n
colt y
inhoff n
allen n
bockis n
lincoln n
jeffords n
dashale n
bond n
snow n
bunning n
hatch n
sinunu n
cornin n
sessions n
allard n
dayton n
nicoles n
mr enzy n
mr harkin y
burns n
chamblis n
shelby n
ensin n
craypo n
mr cryor n
alexander n
mr grassly n
feinstein y
nelson y
libermen y
warner y
talent n
dominichy n
landrew n
specter n
mis mikulski y
sarvings y
cyled n
santorum n
fitsgerald y
conrad n
gruven
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So far I have:
Aye: 20
No: 33
Aye: 20
No: 33
Moparmike
Member
w00t!!! Things are looking up!
Its toast. Even Sen. Lincoln (D-AR) and Sen. Daschle voted no. DOA.
Edited to add: Holy Crap!!! Even Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR) voted against. It is indeed a blessed day for common sense.
Its toast. Even Sen. Lincoln (D-AR) and Sen. Daschle voted no. DOA.
Edited to add: Holy Crap!!! Even Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR) voted against. It is indeed a blessed day for common sense.
Bartholomew Roberts
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O man, that one is going down in flames... they'll be able to roast marshmallows on that fire.
sumpnz
Member
Just got back online with this. Looks like we're getting a minor victory on Bingamen.
I called McCain (RINO-AZ) earlier today and expressed my support for a clean S.1805, and requested he drop his gun show ammendment. Don't know how much good it'll do though.
I called McCain (RINO-AZ) earlier today and expressed my support for a clean S.1805, and requested he drop his gun show ammendment. Don't know how much good it'll do though.
gruven
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Yes: 24
No: 54
No: 54
Quick Draw McGraw
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my count is:
no : 55
aye: 25
so far, anyway
(plus or minus one or two on either side, I think)
no : 55
aye: 25
so far, anyway
(plus or minus one or two on either side, I think)
GigaBuist
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Oh my. If my "representative" voted for THAT pile of crap what hope do I have for her not to vote for the AWB of McCain's gun show bill?
I'm starting to think Levin and Stabenow aren't any better than Feinstein and Boxer to tell you the truth. Better campaign actively AGAINST them next time instead of just not voting for them.
itgoesboom
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Associated Press is reporting that not only are Kerry and Edwards coming off the campaign trail for the vote, but that the Democrats are lobbying Cheney already in case of a tie. :banghead:
I am getting pretty nervous guys, it sounds like they just might have enough votes.
Anyone have a tally on what the numbers look like right now?
I have called both of my Senators,
Smith says they want a clean 1805, (assuming that he will vote against DiFi's bill), and Wyden's staffer told me that hasn't made up his mind yet.
I know its going to be close, especially with some of the RINOs coming out in favor of it, but are we screwed?
I.G.B.
I am getting pretty nervous guys, it sounds like they just might have enough votes.
Anyone have a tally on what the numbers look like right now?
I have called both of my Senators,
Smith says they want a clean 1805, (assuming that he will vote against DiFi's bill), and Wyden's staffer told me that hasn't made up his mind yet.
I know its going to be close, especially with some of the RINOs coming out in favor of it, but are we screwed?
I.G.B.
starfuryzeta
Member
WTH is Daschle up to? 
Bartholomew Roberts
Member
Lobbying Cheney? One of two guys to vote against the original pointless plastic gun ban? They'd have better luck lobbying the mods at THR...
fnforme
Member
Is there any doubt Cheney will vote against it? He gains nothing by siding with the Dems, he probably wont even be VP if Bush wins again.
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