CSPAN thread for Tuesday 03/02/04

[sumpnz]

Here's a conspiracy theory for you all, since many here (myself included)believe an attempt to ban ammo is the next move by the anti's.

First they'll ban lead core bullets. After all, we don't want all that lead getting into our ground water and making all the children retarded.

Then they'll ban steel/tungsten/depleated uranium/other heavy metal core bullets becuase the COP-KILLERS

Then they'll ban solid brass/other metal core bullets becuase they're not effective enough/don't expand/whatever.

Then they'll put a 10,000% tax on all remaining bullets, because, now that there basically are none left, they might as well.

Then possesion of bullets made before the ban (or even empty shell casings since they could be reloaded) will made into a felony.

 

[telewinz]

Guess I'll but some more Turk ammo just to be on the safe side. Just finished read this entire thread. Play by Play...WOW!

 

[garrettwc]

Just got home in time to watch the CBS Evening News with Dan Blather. They have already started spinning this.

"Republicans today defeated an important bill in the Senate that would have kept military style assault weapons off the street"

No mention made that it was only an amendment to the actual bill about frivolous lawsuits.

"Kerry and Edwards returned to Washington from the campaign trail for this important vote"

Generally made it sound like they were white knights riding in to save us.

 

[Ironbarr]

Tv Media news tonight...

CBS - Dan Rather mentioned it without any great comment (edited: sorry, I didn't hear that part).

NBC - Tom Brokow (sp) had pictures of a shooter (handgun), a factory worker, and somebody shooting what looked like a tec-9 (bang bang bang bang), then Craig's "kill it" clip. The NRA DID IT with their email - ONLY the NRA. Hmmm...

Looks like we are going to have to CC every media source with OUR emails/faxes to congress-critters so WE will get recognition.

Then again, maybe we shouldn't - if the AWB comes up again before sunset, perhaps it'd be better if we don't tell them anything about its "any moment" status. If they know too soon that sunset is firm, they'll launch a "for the children" drill.

Well, it's been a day and a half, for sure.

Anyone know what's next, or is it still all supposition?

(Mods... let us wring this out a while before you close this thread, okay... still some catching up... thanks)


-IB

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[Ben Shepherd]

Oleg, any possibility in upgrading the server? We may need it in the coming months. I'm not rich but I would be willing to contribute some money.

Just a thought.

 

[P95Carry]

I'm not rich but I would be willing to contribute some money.

I would happily do likewise .. Oleg .... you should let us know on this.

 

[kingfisher]

I know that Bush said he was for the AWB, but after the furor raised today when it was attempted to place it on S.1805 as a rider, I don't think he will sign it.

If he does expect a Democrat in the White House in 2005. I know I would go to the range instead of the booth on election day. Nobody cares how we vote in Alaska anyhow.

 

[Ben Shepherd]

As I said earlier, I believe Kerry just KILLED any chance he had at the white house. This is good

Even though we lost the battle, we KILLED an attempt at the AWB renewal. This is good.

We have close to 100,000 views, on just this board, watching this running battle. And I'm the watchdog for a couple dozen people that are with us. This is good.

I am stopping by costco for ink paper and envelopes. And a check to the NRA, GOA, and CCRKBA will be in the mail soon.

I suggest everyone take a breather, calm down, and then put pen to paper.

I think America might finnaly be waking up!!

 

[ClonaKilty]

I know that Bush said he was for the AWB, but after the furor raised today when it was attempted to place it on S.1805 as a rider, I don't think he will sign it.

I wish I could be as optimistic. I really don't mean to be cynical, but what I took from today was that the political impetus for renewing the AWB is alive and well. I believe Bush would indeed sign it if it hit his desk, as he promised he would -- he doesn't want to break a promise like his daddy did over "no new taxes."

I echo the sentiments above: why can't the Repubs attach killer amendments to bills they don't like? Or use tough Parlimentary rules to disallow amendments from being brought on bills they do like?

Why are pro-gun forces always on the defensive? I believe the only way to be on the offensive, is to do what was recommended elsewhere here - make this an issue about self-defense!

 

[greyhound]

I'm not rich but I would be willing to contribute some money.

Me too, Oleg.

I believe the only way to be on the offensive, is to do what was recommended elsewhere here - make this an issue about self-defense!

By sunsetting the AWB, I believe we ARE finally on the offensive. But, I don't for a second think that we've finally converted the masses. For most people the AWB=keeping people from machine guns. Even those that believe that Americans have the right to self defense don't believe that Americans should own machine guns. (Yes that is sad but true). If most Americans actually understood what the AWB really was (cosmetic features on rifles + a ban on regular capacity magazines) they would reject it in droves.

Man what a day. I am exhausted, plus I think I set a personal record for most THR posts in 1 day.

But, I think we may have a few more of these days to come before 9/14/04.

Molon Labe!

 

[Quick Draw McGraw]

If the antis really are changing their strategy by working to ban certain ammunition, I think that that could actually work to our favor. Kennedy mentioned the 30-30 and .308, right? It seems that if ammunition were targeted, we would have a lot more success getting all of the hunters on board who otherwise wouldn't be opposed to most gun bans. Although the DC sniper case was truly tragic, there may have been some good come out of it for our side. People now can see a danger from "snipers" and "sniper rifles", and people may begin to include all rifles in the category of "evil weapons". This should also get the hunters going, at least those who always felt sure that they'd never come for their deer rifles.

These recent shifts might actually strengthen us. Of course, unless I'm mistaken, Kennedy's ammendment got shot down, and the AWB got tacked on, so perhaps the antis were testing the waters a bit to see what might work the best. Since the AWB seems stronger than the ammunition bans, maybe they'll stick to that for now.

Any comments on any of these thoughts?

 

[charler2]

As someone who has been keeping up with these boards in recent days, I'd like to thank everyone for allowing people at work with only internet access (no streaming C-SPAN radio) to maintain a play-by-play of the Senate debate.
I feel like I should be waiting for the highlight reel on Sportcenter tonight.

I have to differ with ClonaKilty on Bush's stance on the AWB. Keep in mind that he has yet to veto any legislation during his term. He does this by not letting what he dosen't want to sign even make it to his desk.
I think most would agree that he dosen't want to sign an AWB bill; not many voters to gain and one helluva lot to lose.
Given that, he has an exceptional track record for making unfavorable legislation go away before it makes it to his desk. Threat of veto should be a legislative tool, actually using this power suggests something has gone wrong.

Again, thanks everyone.

 

[Preacherman]

OK, folks, I guess that's it for this discussion. If you want to make additional points, there are plenty of open threads in L&P - or start a new one.

Very many thanks to all for their input over the five days of this struggle. I'm proud of you all!