Customs and Border Protection Chooses Glock as New Handgun

[USBP379]

The announcement was officially made today. Many people had been speculating that CBP would follow ICE and adopt the P320.

No word yet on what specific model(s) will be authorized for duty carry. We should have all that info in the next day or two.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-awards-contract-duty-handguns

 

[earlthegoat2]

My guess is the model 45.

 

[sequins]

Kinda ironic that CBP has an import handgun

 

[JTQ]

My guess is the model 45.

I believe the slide says "47".

The picture shows a G17 length grip, with a G19 length dust cover (like the G45), but it has a G17 length slide/barrel. However, I suspect it has some modularity and will be available in different sizes.

 

[Jeff H]

The P320 has such a more comfortable grip. Wonder why they chose Glock. My guess would be price. Sig has some pretty sweet contracts now and doens't need to discount them anymore.

 

[Sistema1927]

And as part of the deal, Glock will lend Chuck Norris to CBP in order to secure the southern border.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Well........ we all make mistakes I guess.

 

[crestoncowboy]

The sig may have a more comfortable grip to some. But not all. I have most every brand of handgun and I prefer a full size Glock grip (17-22-etc purely for feel. not necessarily the fatter 20 or 21 although I love the 20). Second would probably be a sig 220. I prefer many guns over the 320 grip (purely from comfort perspective, not bashing a good gun). So that's entirely an individually subjective thing to say. I'm fine with the 320 grip, I just know many others fit me better

As far as why they chose it I'd guess it's almost entirely a money thing. Also I wonder what they already have. Maybe familiarity and even magazine interchangeability?

 

[JTQ]

Also I wonder what they already have. Maybe familiarity and even magazine interchangeability?

I believe they are replacing HK P2000's.

 

[crestoncowboy]

Well.... mag and parts interchangeability nor familiarity wasn't it then.
And apparently they weren't worried about the money the last time they chose.

Definitely eenie meenie mienee mo. I'm sure of it now

 

[USBP379]

As far as why they chose it I'd guess it's almost entirely a money thing. Also I wonder what they already have. Maybe familiarity and even magazine interchangeability?

Yep. Price played a factor? Is that a bad thing? As a taxpayer I want money spent on the cheapest product that meets the requirements laid out by the agency.

The current pistol is the HK P2000 with LEM trigger. There are also a few P2000 SKs, P30s and Glock 23s in use depending on duty assignment and agency within CBP.

The P2000 has been in use since 2005 and is getting long in the tooth. Many of these guns need new night sights, springs and mags. These parts and the man hours needed to retrofit make buying a newer and less expensive pistol pretty much a no brainer.

 

[EMC45]

I believe they are replacing HK P2000's.

You are correct

 

[crestoncowboy]

I didn't say price shouldn't be a factor. If they all carried a korth I'd be complaining. I shoot with LE often. It doesn't hurt my feelings that our troopers carry 226s nor that one municipality carries USP either (although it makes the county guys who only have a Glock 21 for an option complain) . Price should play a factor. But not be the only one. I don't want servicemen and women carrying a Lorcin either. I could find a million other, better places the government should cut spending.

I personally carry a glock myself. I have HK/Sig/Springfield/ smith/ beretta and others so I wasn't saying their choice was bad at all. I make the same choice. It was asked why Glock was chosen. I answered most likely because of cost unless they already had Glocks and then perhaps familiarity was a factor. But clearly that wasn't it.

 

[earlthegoat2]

Completely circumstantial evidence here but the three pistols I have been seeing on the used racks and in the classifieds in my area have been HK VPs, Sig 365s, and Sig 320s. For how many more Glocks are out there in the world there are comparatively few for sale second hand. Just something I have been noticing lately.

 

[Zerodefect]

Good choice. Out there, I want my G41.

 

[czhen]

And as part of the deal, Glock will lend Chuck Norris to CBP in order to secure the southern border.

The new Glock has a signature of Chuck Norris on the top slide.

 

[herrwalther]

I know several officers who will already fight to hold onto their HKs and Sigs. And I don't blame them at all.

 

[NorthBorder]

In 2003 it was the HK USP. Prior to that, I remember some Glocks, and even Berettas. They seem to be going full circle on this.

 

[JDR]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ction-adopts-the-brand-new-glock-g47-9mm/amp/

These are brand new Glock 47 models which appear to have a Model 45 frame with the 17L slide and the MOS modification, with cool CBP engraving on the MOS plate. Looks like it also has at least an AmeriGlo Bold FS (nice!)

 

[Al-jim19]

It looks like you’d be able to attach the long slide to the G19...I think this bodes well for models available to the general public soon.

 

[Destructo6]

Glock 47: G45 frame with rmr cut g17 slide
G19, also rmr cut
G26.

This is what I've heard so far. I'm not much of a Glock fan, so take it for what it's worth.

I know several officers who will already fight to hold onto their HKs and Sigs. And I don't blame them at all.

I don't know anyone who wants to keep the P2000. Nobody.

 

[crestoncowboy]

Not trying to derail the thread but I said in another thread , and gave a link, to a disproportionate amount of trade-in 320s considering it's a recent release

I don't know anyone who wants to keep the P2000. Nobody.

How come? I own 2 USP. I'm certainly not their biggest fan, I'd also choose a glock actually. but curious is the p2000 a bad gun? Or what

 

[milemaker13]

As far as why they chose it I'd guess it's almost entirely a money thing

Oh come on guys... its cuza Chuck Norris!!!

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

I wonder how many people at Customs and Border Protection care at all?

 

[USBP379]

In 2003 it was the HK USP. Prior to that, I remember some Glocks, and even Berettas. They seem to be going full circle on this.

For USBP, the Beretta 96D was the standard issue pistol from about 1995-1996 to 2005-2006. I don't remember the exact dates. The alternate sidearm was the SIG229 DAO if an agent wanted to buy his own gun and duty gear. Then about 2000 or 2001 timeframe the USP came along. In fact there are a few of these guns still being carried today. Guys who have them generally like them quite well. Or, more correctly, don't hate them as much as they hate the P2000.

The P2000 hasn't been a "bad" gun per se but agents, by and larger, really don't care for the trigger. It has a huge amount of slack with a 7# release that's clear at the back end of trigger travel. It is a hard trigger to get used to and is very unforgiving. Many shooters shoot low and left or low and right depending on which hand they shoot with. Yes. Much of this is related to support hand grip (or lack thereof) but the P2000 LEM trigger is simply harder to shoot than it should be.

Other than the trigger, the P2000 has been generally pretty durable outside of broken trigger springs. HK says the trigger spring failure is as much from dryfire as anything. I guess practicing and trying to master the trigger causes the spring to break. How'd a thunk it? Outside of that, there have been a few broken hammer struts and a few slides that have cracked underneath the hole for the barrel and the hole for the recoil spring. Not terribly surprising given the fact that these are fairly light midsize guns.

I'm not a Glock fanboi by any means but will not miss the P2000 even a tiny bit. Good riddance to the LEM trigger!