Cutting down Shotgun?

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I want to cut down my Pardner single shot with a long barrel to a short 18.5" barrel. The local gunsmith shop wants $45 to do it and to reinstall the bead. I think that's a little high and doesn't make sense for a $150 shotgun. I'd like to do it myself to save money.

Anyone do this? What is the easiest way for a novice? I will probably have them reinstall a bead up front once I'm done as I don't want it to be crooked. How much is a fair price to install a bead sight on a shotgun barrel?

Thanks friends! :)
 
I used a hacksaw. A file and a square made sure everything was squared. Not that hard.

Regarding the bead, my last one had a vent rib so I just put a snap on fiber optic sight on it secured with epoxy. Works fine. But you just have a round barrel to deal with so, that is probably not a choice you will make.

For drilling a centered hole a drill press would be handy, but it can be done with a hand drill. I small tap set for the bead will probably run you $20+/-.

$45 is looking pretty good to me if I did not have the tools already, other wise you dropping most of that $45 on tools to do it.



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$45 is a steal for cutting and reinstalling the bead.

I prefer a tubing cutter. Always makes a square cut. Remember to remove the lip inside that barrel if you go to fast and cause one to form.

Before you cut use a straight edge from the existing bead to the sighting notch, if your receiver has one, or the center of the receiver then mark the center of the barrel for the new hole for the bead.

$45 is a steal for cutting and reinstalling the bead.
 
If your going to DIY it, wrap a piece of tape (& check square) for a guide. Start the cuts at three or four places through.
 
After seeing some of the guys work, i'd probably let him do it for 45... however, if you do it yourself, use some fishing line to find the center from the existing bead location, and use a scribe or punch to mark the barrel center at +/-18.25" for the bead hole, before chopping.
 
As noted, if the gunsmith does quality work, then $45 is a very good price. Don't do this yourself unless you are planning to do several more and are willing to spend for the tooling.
 
Cooldill wrote:
How much is a fair price to install a bead sight on a shotgun barrel?

When you took the hacksaw to the barrel, you got rid of the point the gunsmith would have used to locate where the bead was to be re-installed; so re-measuring and re-centering the barrel to re-install the bead; $150.

Personally, if I were the gunsmith and you came back to me after having taken a hacksaw to the barrel, I wouldn't touch the gun for any price because I'd fear you're going to blame me for everything you did to your gun and my reputation is worth more than that.
 
For the front bead you can get one of those handy tools, coincidentally called "center finder": http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=2747
It's not that hard to chop down a single barrel shotgun, but you would need at least some basic tools to do the job.

When you took the hacksaw to the barrel, you got rid of the point the gunsmith would have used to locate where the bead was to be re-installed; so re-measuring and re-centering the barrel to re-install the bead; $150
Tell you what - you send me some $150 and I will do the second barrel you provide me for free. You just have to cover the postage...
 
I want to cut down my Pardner single shot with a long barrel to a short 18.5" barrel. The local gunsmith shop wants $45 to do it and to reinstall the bead. I think that's a little high...

It's not. It's an hour job to cut the barrel, then square and clean up the crown, plus reinstall the bead. Considering a threaded bead, and considering most smiths are $20-50 per hole for D&T jobs, you're talking about a VERY reasonable price at $45.

and doesn't make sense for a $150 shotgun.

That's up to you. If you want it shorter, it's a good price. If you don't want to spend money on the shotgun, that's your choice. I personally wouldn't agree with the sentiment it doesn't make sense - if you want it shorter, $45 is a good price, and the purchase price of the shotgun isn't relevant. Should it cost more to cut down a $1500 shotgun than one which cost $150? So the $45 is either worth it to you to have it how you want it, or not. That's so cheap, I'd certainly have them do the job.

I'm guessing it's a 26" or 28" barrel, so cutting it down to 18.5" will be a marked difference in handling, well worth that price.

PERSONALLY - I'd pay to have it threaded for chokes at the same time as well. I have the Manson ream and tap set, which is about $300, plus bushings which are $16 each, unless you turn your own.

I'd like to do it myself to save money.

For $45, it's not worth it to do it yourself.

Anyone do this?

Yes, I've done several barrel bob jobs on rifles, shotguns, and handguns, and sight installs, from dovetails, thread shank beads, soldered shank beads, banded sights, screw on bases, solder on bases, soldered mill slot sights, etc.

What is the easiest way for a novice?

Same way as the professional - you need means to 1) cut the barrel, 2) square the muzzle, 3) treat the crown (debur and chamfer/round), 4) level the receiver, 5) indicate Top Dead Center on the barrel, 6) drill a blind hole in the barrel at TDC without penetrating clear through into the bore and leaving sufficient bore ceiling, then 7) bottom tap the hole. Personally, for barrel cut down jobs, I use a hacksaw and a hardened homemade muzzle square cutting jig, followed squaring up with a piloted muzzle facing cutter ($85 together), then kiss a slight chamfer with an 11* cutter on the pilot, and round the OD either rolling it in a fixture on a belt sander or with a radius cutter (but a guy could break it with a file and stone & sand). I then touch up with cold blue ($8+), most often. For installing the bead, I use a Forster sight drilling fixture ($450 current price), or a Williams Centering Jig ($130 current) mounted in a padded vise, and for shotguns, I either turn my drill/mill by hand ($1,200 used), or use a T-handle ($6+) on the appropriate size bit ($5) to give me control over depth. I tap with a T-handle, start with a taper, switch to a plug, then finish with a bottoming tap (cheapest of these will be $3-8, and you'll need at least the taper and bottoming taps), then use loctite to secure the bead in the threads ($6).

A guy can cut it off with a hacksaw, square(ish) with a belt sander, chamfer with a VLD case chamfer tool, radius with a file and stones, but there's a difference in job quality for the above manual method I described vs. doing it without at least piloted facing cutters.

Between the bit, T handle, and the taps, even if you were willing to eyeball it and risk coming up off center, you'll have enough cost in tools to make it not worth doing the sight install on your own, so I'd certainly pay him for that part. At $45 for the whole job, he can't be assigning more than $20-25 for cutting the barrel, so I'd recommend paying him for the work instead of tackling it yourself and recommend you mark yourself happy for getting a good deal.

I will probably have them reinstall a bead up front once I'm done as I don't want it to be crooked. How much is a fair price to install a bead sight on a shotgun barrel?

As I mentioned above - many smiths would charge $45 just to drill & tap then reinstall the bead. Just pay the guy. At best, I'd venture you'll get this done for $20-25. For $20 difference, again, I'd pay the guy to do the whole job.
 
Varminterror, if I am not mistaken, those shotguns have ribless barrels, so the front bead is mounted in a through hole.
 
I am likely to cut off mine and do the work myself. But I have 18 years of experience as a machinist and I have a high level of confidence I can make it pretty. Even without having machines to do it. But if I'm not happy with how it comes out I will get at a few friends and see if I can borrow their machine. I'm starting at 18.5 to leave room to tighten it up.
 
For the front bead you can get one of those handy tools, coincidentally called "center finder":


Finding the center of a tube is easy. Finding the center at exactly the top of the tube, not so much. It doesn't take being off much to move the center of the pattern quite a bit.

Use the existing bead hole to make a mark before the barrel is cut or you are going to need more than a center finder to properly position it.
 
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Of course, you can take a gunsmithing course (there is a NRA general gunsmithing course at TSJC where all sorts of things are done). Taking it will cost you several hundred, housing, food and transportation a few more hundred. I'm glad you decided to let the smith do it for you. It's cheaper.
 
Interesting discussion. I have a 20 gauge that I need to cut down. Good advice on locating the bead. May have to buy a tap but thats all. All the discussion about doing the job perfectly is fine but its a sawed off shotgun that will be shot at 20 to 30 feet at the most. There is such a thing as good enough when you are talkin about these ranges and a throw away shotgun. Paid $100 for a Mossberg with an adjustable choke on it. Not sure you even need a front sight at 20 feet or less with buckshot and a cylinder bore.
 
Just for the conversation, because Cooldill already made up his mind - we are making it sound much more complicated than it is. This is a simple ribless barrel - cut the barrel to the desired length, then using a square edge to guide you file it flat and parallel to the bore's axis. This is somewhat tricky as most shotgun barrels are tapered, but using your common sense will make it easier - just make sure that the gaps that show between the barrel and the straight edge are equal all around. The crown - clean the burrs with a small (and cheap) knife, then take a ping-pong ball, wrap it in 400 grit sandpaper and proceed to carefully even the cut. That's it. For front bead installation - you need a drill press, center finder, spirit level, drills and taps. Level your drill press (very important!), level your shotgun using the flat sides on the receiver - again, this is tricky and requires your common sense to be brought back to work as spirit levels allow for some deviation. After you leveled your shotgun's barrel both parallel and vertical use the center finder, drill thru, tap, install front bead, cut the threads to not protrude thru the bore, or file them carefully with a small oval file, put some Loctite and head to the range to test for pattern.

I second the advise given that is best to left a qualified gunsmith do that, but if you have the tools and feel confident enough to use them it's not that hard. Just use some common sense and LOOK at what you are doing, don't just rely on the tools to do the job for you. For example - after you straightened the muzzle to be parallel to the bore's axis, cover the cut with a sharpie marker and straighten it with careful and even strokes with a file, slightly rotate the barrel before every stroke thus you will start every stroke on a different point. For the spirit level - don't just put that bubble between the lines, LOOK where exactly it is between them. Take your measurements at several different points. Stuff like that...
 
$45 is cheap only if you don't own the tools/skillset. For me, this project would be, and has been free.
 
I will probably have them reinstall a bead up front once I'm done

How much is he going to charge to do that?

You can cut a barrel many ways, some won't even cause any damage but if he's going to charge say $35 to install the bead, just pony up the extra $10 and let someone that's done it before do it.

It depends on who is doing the work but lots of shops have minimums on jobs. It very well could be he has a half hour minimum and that comes to $45. So you could cut the barrel down and take it to him to put the bead back on and not save a cent.
 
I want to cut down my Pardner single shot with a long barrel to a short 18.5" barrel. The local gunsmith shop wants $45 to do it and to reinstall the bead. I think that's a little high and doesn't make sense for a $150 shotgun. I'd like to do it myself to save money.

Anyone do this? What is the easiest way for a novice? I will probably have them reinstall a bead up front once I'm done as I don't want it to be crooked. How much is a fair price to install a bead sight on a shotgun barrel?

Thanks friends! :)


That is the best $45.00 you will ever spend. There is such a thing known as diminishing returns. This is a prime example. :)
 
th.jpeg For a fast and dirty approach, a large pipecutter will do the job. A plumber friend might have one. Add a glue on tru-glo type bead and you're set. That being said, you gunsmith quote is reasonable, IMO.
 
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