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CZ 50 .32 auto

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by lionking, Mar 11, 2018.

  1. lionking

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    Got this CZ 50 2 decades ago back when they were abundant and cheap ($150) I see they are still available at Aim surplus but in more used condition but anyway recently took it to the range to formally test at 15 yds and I am happy that it actually hits pretty much in the bulls with 73gr ammo. It might actually get closer with 71gr haen't tested that yet.

    But for a old surplus with fixed sights I like it a lot knowing that it will group within the bulls although can't say another one will.
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  2. .455_Hunter

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    Yup- I picked-up a couple in the '99 - '01 timeframe for me and my Dad. He carried his quite a bit when he didn't want to carry his .44-40 Vaquero. The only gripes I can find is that the slides peens themselves going over the hammer and the feed ramps are pretty rough. One is definitely going to my son in a few years.
     
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  3. lionking

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    how does yours group ? The trigger on mine is actually pretty smooth. Surplus can be hit or miss but I like mine.
     
  4. .455_Hunter

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    Very similar to your target. Perfect for a carry gun.
     
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  5. lionking

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    awesome by the way my point of aim was 6 o clock on the orange for anyone interested
     
  6. lionking

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    I have since tested Armscor and Fiocchi ammo and like many other of my guns Fiocchi does the best.
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  7. Dibbs

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    Got an old CZ(VZOR) 70. Much the same gun. Great DA pull weight, for EDC. Basically a
    "what's not to like ?" gun. Really nice to throw into the pocket. Wish I could find something similar
    in 9MM Luger.
     
  8. Tallball

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    Nice shooting!
     
  9. Ignition Override

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    Those 50s and 70s would be very cool guns to own, and carry, if springs are fairly new. Very sleek and attractive.

    Just a reminder that a nice commercial Russian Makarov (mine is a .380) might cost $250-$300, could have a better DA pull, and they are very rugged and reliable.
     
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  10. Walt Sherrill

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    Except they're heavy, hard to find magazines for, and the ammo isn't cheap. (And magazines are a common source of problems.) For a few more $dollars you can pick up a pretty good small 9mm gun and have something that is not much larger and still easy to carry. The CZ-50 model can have galling problems, where the slide travels over the hammer as it cycles -- and there's really not much you can do, but file it down. The metallurgy of the CZ-70 is better and the galling problem seems to have been fixed. A Bulgarian makarov might be a better choice, and it's a better design.

    If I wanted a small .32 for concealed carry -- a "special occasion" gun when nothing else would work -- I'd probably get a Kel-Tec P32. They're great little guns (and I do mean little.). And yes, I've owned a CZ-50 (and a number of other small handguns.) While .32 is better than a pointed stick or rock, I'd rather rely on a larger caliber. And if all I'm going to do is shoot it at the range, then 9mm is cheaper.
     
  11. MedWheeler

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    Walt Sherrill writes:

    I agree. I have the 70 and the Bulgarian PM. Like 'em both a lot, but the PM just "fits" well all around, to me at least.

    (Now, back to the regularly-scheduled CZ50 thread.) ;)
     
  12. jdh

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    Makarov? My 9X18 is a CZ82. The 50 us on the to do list.
     
  13. Walt Sherrill

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    I've had both Makarovs and CZ-82s, and I prefer the CZ82, but the CZ-82 is larger and a bit more complex. (The CZ-82/83 also holds more rounds and is more pleasant to shoot -- and seemingly as reliable as the Mak..) The Mak, however, is almost a pocket gun. Almost.

    The only .380 I have now is a beautiful nickel Browning BDA 380 (which Beretta made for them); it's a nice gun, but larger than some small 9mms.
     
  14. giggitygiggity

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    I’ve got the CZ50, CZ70, and 2x CZ82 pistols. All of them are super accurate and fun to shoot.
     
  15. Eugen

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    Good shooting! I like the looks of that CZ50, but unfortunately never owned one. I really enjoy the European 7,65mm small pistols. They are a hoot to shoot. To keep the ammo costs down I reload .32 cal and 380 ACP. I really enjoy my Femaru M37 in 7,65mm for its looks and the cool holster, but I shoot my Colt 1903 in 32 Cal the best.
     
  16. Dibbs

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    Now, where can you get a 9mmX19mm with the features(specifically, hammer, SA/DA trigger, quality name brand) and size of the CZ70? I have been looking, maybe I missed something.
     
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    Dibbs, check out a CZ 2075 Rami. It checks all your boxes for a compact, quality, 9x19 Luger with a hammer with 14 rd mag.:thumbup:
     
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  18. Walt Sherrill

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    I don't know why the CZ-50/70 set of features must be the criteria. If so, I'd certainly want to change that list to add the ability to carry cocked & locked. That first shot is critical, and pulling a CZ-70 out of a carry pocket or holster to crank off a first DA shot will be a challenge.

    Saying that a Communist Bloc police/military surplus gun is a "quality name brand" gun is stretching it a bit: The CZ-50 and CZ-70 design was based loosely on the Walther PP/PPK series guns. The CZ-50 and CZ-70 are bigger than they have to be, heavier than they have to be, and while they can have a good SA trigger, the DA trigger can be a pain (hence the need for cocked and locked.) Finding parts will be (if it is not already ) a problem, and magazines seem to be made of "unobtainium." I think Wolff does make springs for the mags, now, though.​

    Eugen cited one example and I like the CZ P-01 even better. Same overall length, basically the same weight, and it can use a 10 or 14 round 9mm magazine. And like the RAMI, it is certainly DA/SA. (The "safety-equipped" RAMI can be carried cocked and locked; the decocker model doesn't have a safety -- but that's arguably not needed.) The CZ 75 Compact is about the same size as the P-01, but because it's steel rather than alloy; The 75 Compact can also be carried cocked and locked, which isn't really possible with the CZ-50/70. The P-01 has a smoother, easier DA trigger pull than the CZ-50/70.

    S&W makes the Guardian, which is striker fired, but can carry 7-8 rounds; to my thinking, for what is a smaller gun, 9mm trumps 8 rounds of .32 most days. The Guardian weighs less than the CZ 50/70, and handles the 9mm round quite well. And then there's the S&W Bodyguard (.380) which is hammer-fired and weighs only 12 ozs.. It's also smaller, and the prices have been very reasonable (in the $250-$300 range last I looked.)

    Kahr makes a number of 9mm guns that are smaller and lighter than the CZ-50/70s, and even the larger P9, which holds 7 or 8 rounds (depending on the magazines used), weighs 12.7 ozs. and is a half-inch shorter. (I had one several years ago and it was a pleasant-shooting 9mm. I should have kept it, but saw something I thought I might like better, and traded it away.) The slightly smaller CW9 has a 7-round capacity, weighs less than the CZ-50/70, and is shorter, too.There are all sorts of .380s out there that are impressive little guns.

    Even the Kel-Tec PF9 or the SCCY CPX3 -- both hammer fired -- can hold from 7-10 rounds of 9mm (depending on the magazines used) are pretty good designs -- and in the same price range. (Even less costly if you buy used -- which is what you're doing with a cz-50 OR cz-70!) And parts, if you need them are available. Bought new, you get a warranty.
     
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  19. jdh

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    I pocket carry a 3” 686+. A Mak would almost go unnoticed.
     
  20. Dibbs

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    Yeah, it's got a nice beaver tail, too. The closest I had been able to find, up to now, was a
    S&W6906.
     
  21. MedWheeler

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    Walt Sherrill writes:



    The CZ-70 can actually be carried cocked-and-locked. You would just have to train to flip the safety up to fire instead of down (assuming you were used to the 1911, etc.)

    Just sayin'.. is all. ;)
     
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    Walt Sherrill: That's quite true about compact 9x19 mm guns. My first handgun was at age 59 ('14), a WW2 Sauer 38H. Even if the decocker had continued to work, using a .32 acp would still have been temporary.

    I just re-acquired this previous .380 Russian Makarov in order to have an alternate hot summer handgun which is more concealable (IWB) than my German-proofed Sig P228 and the CZ 75D "PCR". Had a used PO1 before deciding to buy a like-new retail 75D..
    There's a little more to it, and didn't want to expand the subject too far from the CZ 50/70.
    My impression is that if somebody only needs a .32 for certain situations, and if the CZ 70 has a decent DA and is very reliable, it should be much better than having no gun.
     
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  23. Dibbs

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    The CZ-70 can actually be carried cocked-and-locked. You would just have to train to flip the safety up to fire instead of down (assuming you were used to the 1911, etc.)

    Just sayin'.. is all. ;)[/QUOTE]

    I don't see the point of cocked and locked. Unlocking the safety, and pulling the trigger-two motions.
    Pulling the trigger DA- one continuous motion.
     
  24. Walt Sherrill

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    Yeah, but if your CZ-70 or CZ-50 is anything like the one I owned and the other one I've fired, getting that first shot ON TARGET can be quite a challenge. Especially if you're being rushed, caught by surprise, or the "target" is moving, or all of the above. (And things happen in MANY self-defense and some home defense situations.)

    The difference between first and second trigger pulls will take a lot of practice to master. The objective with any self-defense use of a handgun is to stop the other party before the other party stops you. That requires excellent shot placement and a mediocre DA/SA transition can be a big hurdle to overcome.

    I spent a number of years shooting IDPA, also designing the courses the courses of fire we used, and acting as a Safety Officer. I scored a lot of targets. You could almost always tell which shooters were shooting DA/SA guns, because they seldom shot groups with their first shots on the first target. And this was in a lower-stress environment using guns with a longer longer sight radii and a lot better triggers than the CZ-50/70, and done by guys who DID practice!​

    I'm sure that all CZ-50/CZ-70 owners planning to use their guns in self- or home-defense roles will say they'll do it (i.e. practice and master it), but I suspect it's a promise that few will actually carry out. That's why "cocked & locked" makes sense on guns where C&L can be done quickly and easily.

    The CZ-50 and CZ-70 can seem like a good idea, and If you really want one, get one. If you already have one, shoot it for fun. But just keep in mind that there are far better gun choices for real-world home- or self-defense roles, and those better choices come in more robust calibers, are sometimes smaller and lighter, and are also available for almost the same price.
     
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  25. Dibbs

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    I don't see a problem with a heavy DA pull at "get-off-me" range. You're confusing SD with
    competition shooting. At no point did I ever state that DA accuracy is a good as SA.

    But the next time I sign up for IDPA, I'll be sure to get a gun with a longer sight radius that C&Ls.
     
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