Dibbs said:
As to depending on a PMR30, sorry, I've simply had too many mis-feeds, hang-fires, and misfires to ever trust 22WMR or a PMR30 with my life. Say what you want about that little CZ, but it's dependable, jam free,
and on target.
I've not had the problems you've had with the PMR-30, and most of the folks now shooting PMR-30s and CMR-30s seem to have had a much better experience than you. Have you talked with Kel-Tec? Pushing the rounds straight down into the mag (and not shifting them to one side or the other was) the key to success for me. Once I learned how to load the magazine the problems went away. And I've had ONE .22 WRM misfire over the years (and that one recently), and I've had several .22 WRM handguns -- including a Ruger Single Six . (If you really want to get rid of that PRM-30, let me know -- maybe we can work out a trade...)
Dibbs said:
I have to admit to personally being surprised that the 60+ year old CZ functions faultlessly, compared to the brand spanking new Duck Dodgers Space Blaster, my little 30 round wonder, which, I'm trying to remember,(tap the mags and all) of all the times I've had it to the range, did it ever make it all the way thru 3 mags without a feed issue? Yeah, maybe once.
I had a P-09 (military Luger) that was made in 1941 that also functioned perfectly, and when a couple of parts wore out, it was easy to get replacement parts. And it was one of the most accurate 9mm. This one had been captured by the Soviets and then served for a number of years with the East German police. It saw a lot more service than any CZ-50 or CZ-70.
You better hope the CZ-50/70 continues to function well, because parts -- including magazines -- are hard to find. And if something breaks, it may stay broken (I think, Wolff now makes mag springs for the gun, and springs are the most cause of feeding issues.) More than one CZ-50 and CZ-70 has become a paperweight because of the owner's inability to find magazines.
Dibbs said:
I don't have to make a case for the CZ 70, It makes it's own case for itself. It's got a great CC DA trigger pull, a good hammer, doesn't jam, and shoots accurately. Not to mention the safety hammer de-cocker which was leading edge when it was designed, and is still state of the art today. It's a little big and heavy? Yeah, because Kel-Tec's shown us what we get, when we go with smaller and lighter, haven't they?
The self-made CZ-70 case you cite won't convince many here who are concerned about things like
ROUND PERFORMANCE.
While my CZ-50 outperformed a friends Walther PPK, that's a bit like comparing the rate of acceleration of economy cars and feeling better because your gas-miser did can do 0-60 mph in 20 seconds when mine could only do it in 25 seconds -- because neither one of those performance levels will make you comfortable if you're trying to merge into an active interstate from a short on ramp.
I will continue to argue that the 32 a.c.p. round isn't a good self-defense or home-defense round, and it becomes an even-poorer choice when you realize that there are so many alternatives that are equally small (or smaller), lighter, and shoot more potent rounds and often cost about the same. I say this WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT USING THE CZ-50 OR CZ-70 FOR HOME OR SELF DEFENSE -- and not when you talk about using it at the range, for fun.
I suspect you understand all of this too, and that's why you refuse to address questions or comments about round performance. You remain silent on t
hat part of the CZ-50/70 story. A CZ-50 or 70 is certainly OK for punching holes in paper, but so is a 9mm semi-auto, which uses less costly ammo. I'd certainly prefer the 9mm round o a .32 around if I was under attack by a person or an animal.
Alternatives?
The
Ruger LC9s has a much better trigger, includes a trigger safety (which makes it drop safe), and
weighs a half-pound less than the CZ-70. A new one has a warranty. I think the LC9s is slightly smaller, It holds 7+1 rounds of 9mm vs the CZ-50/70's 8+1 of .32; The LC9s can generally be purchased for about the same (or fewer) dollars as the CZ-50/70. Several are available on Gunbroker for under $225, and used for maybe $40 less.
J have a
Ruger SR9c, which is about the same size and weight as the CZ-70, is very comfortable to shoot, and bought used, can be had for about the same price. The SR9c can hold either holds 10+1 rounds of 9mm.
or 17+1 if you want to add a larger magazine with a grip extension, and it can be purchased new in the $250-$275 range. A used one that looked new recently sold on Gunbroker for $188.
There are other small 9mms, but they tend to be more costly. Some of Kel-Tec 9mm are less costly, but they're not for everybody... (A point that is addressed below.)
While the .32 a.c.p round CAN stop a bad guy, .a 22 LR can too, as can a knife, a pointed stick, a rock, or a baseball bat!
There are darned few self-defense rounds available for .32 handguns, And while you may like a decocker -- I learned long ago how to decock a cocked semi-auto -- I'd much rather have a safety that allows a cocked & locked start so that all trigger pulls are
the same (AND BETTER!) And that decocker is a technical feature that once may have been
state of the art, that was the case 60 years ago, but it isn't the case now! (Little things like drop-proof safety or a hammer block safety are newer technical features that are much more important.)
For the weight, price and performance, there are far better choices for self- or home-defense than the CZ-70. For a fun(?) plinking gun it's OK, but if something really dangerous is coming at you, (i.e., the typical self-defense or home-defense situation) I would argue you need more than a small .32 semi-auto in your hand.. Those are some of the points you must deal with if you want to convince OTHERS that the CZ-70 is a good home- or self-defense weapon. Until you do that, it's hard to convince anyone that the CZ-50/70 is a good gun for home or self defense was among your earlier statements.
Re: Kel-Tecs.
Over the years, I've had a Kel-Tec P3AT, a P-11, a PF9, a Sub-2000 in 9mm, a Sub-2000 in .40 -- and the PMR-30. All of them have been flawless performers, but I moved UP from .380 to smaller 9mms for self-defense. didn't like the P11 trigger, found the PF9, while functionally great, a pain (literally) to shoot. I loved the Sub-2000 in 9mm (very accurate and reliable), but someone made me a trade offer I couldn't refuse. I didn't care for the Sub-2000 in .40 -- found it unpleasant to shoot. The PMR-30 has been the best of the Kel-Tecs for me, and if the CMR-30 wasn't so darned expensive I'd get one of them. Maybe I'll find a used one one of these days. For the price they're asking, you can get a low-end AR. I also have a Glock 38 that I carry, which is .45 GAP -- It's generally my home defense gun, too, but have other options if I need them.
A few years ago, a friend who is a wizard when shooting a 1911s, bought a P3AT and quickly called it the biggest piece of crap ever made; he quickly got rid of it. I let him try mine at the range and not only could he not hit the broad side of the barn, he couldn't even find the barn! I reloaded and rapidly shot a 3": group at about 20 feet. With other guns he's a superior shot.
Kel-Tecs seem to just NOT FIT some people.