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CZ-527 in 7.62x39

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Cosmoline, Apr 1, 2006.

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  1. Cosmoline

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    Just picked this one up for use as a home defense carbine and small to medium game rifle. I'm going to run it out to the range tomorrow time permitting. It's incredibly light and well balanced, and maneuvers easily even close quarters. I'd have to say it's the quickest rifle in hand I've ever used. There's really no comparison between it and the Mauser short rifles or carbines I've had before. This is truly on a smaller scale.
     

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  2. dm1333

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    Maybe you can answer this one for me. Can you mount one of the Ashley scout scope mounts on it? I really want to buy one but as a lefty the only way I can scope it is with a scout scope. It makes working the bolt a lot easier without having to dismount the rifle.

    Don
     
  3. cortez kid

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    Probably one of the sweetest rifles I've ever shot was 280PLUS' CZ 527 in the same caliber. 2 stage trigger. Just had to think about firing and it was down range. You're gonna love it
    kid
     
  4. Cosmoline

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    The CZ 452 ZKM is one of my all-time favorite rifles. The only problem I've had with it up here is it sometimes lacks sufficient knock-down power for the larger ptarmigan and hare, and of course it's useless for anything larger you happen across on meat bag hunts. This new rifle should be more than enough medicine with FMJ's in the 123 range for small game and 150 grain SP's for medium fare. It's enough for smaller moose or black bear in heavy timber, which is about as big as I plan to go after. It's just amazingly compact, I can't get over it.
     
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    i have one of these with the 16.1 in bbl, and it makes even the crap ammo shoot moa. the best mounts are the factory cz's. they have to be high.
     
  7. MinScout

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    I have one and it's a fine little rifle. The only thing I don't like is that one has to mount the scope pretty high for the bolt to clear it, which makes for somewhat awkward aiming. I've also been thinking of mounting some type of scout mount on it.
     
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    I was going to ask about ammo. Thought maybe you'd have to use some premium stuff like Corbon to make it shoot up to potential. But no?
     
  9. jerkface11

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    Never shoot american made 7.62x39 it's all innaccurate. Wolf on the other hand shoots sub MOA out of the CZ carbine. Barnaul is pretty good too. Sapsan isn't as accurate. And from what i understand the cheetah stuff is the most accurate if you can find it. Of course they do even better with handloads. Krochus posted about his carbine and the groups it shot if you want to search for it.
     
  10. RugerOldArmy

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    Those are very sweet, elegant rifles. Very handy, and quick. You'll like the set trigger!

    I know this is personal taste: I dunno about it as a home defense rifle....and Cosmo, you've been here a while...the flashlight thing has got to go! Wouldn't an SKS be better for home defense, and the 527 better in the field? Unless you're looking to use the flashlight as a 'bubba tuner' ;) (and you won't need it 527s are notoriously accurate for the money, like your 452), I think it is nothing but problems. (Snagging on stuff in the field, scorn from us blue and walnut folks, etc!) Again, just my unsolicited $.02
     
  11. Cosmoline

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    Well think about it for a second. Why wouldn't it be the perfect home defense carbine? It's light and very fast. When loaded with quality 125 or even better 150 grain loads it delivers a devastating blow superior to almost any handgun. Plus, it aims easier and better even when you're groggy, thus maximizing the chance of hitting what you're aiming at.

    The SKS-45, which I liked alot, is several pounds heavier and not quite as fast at target acquisition. It's sound as a defensive carbine, but not quite as good. It's also not as good as a hunting firearm, due to the noise of chambering a round and the difficulty swapping ammo types. Plus, it's a historical piece and I'm not thrilled about damaging it in the field. Plus, it's a semi and may have troubles cycling with small game loads running off unique. So that one I'm selling off.

    The Wild West mount is on there because I have not yet developed the ability to see without light. It's just a quirk of mine that I like to be able to see what I'm shooting. All home defense carbines should be fitted for one. The mount on there now does not snag, esp. when you pop the flashlight off. It's also very nice to have a little night light on there when camping or going to the field in the dark. You can't use mount the light for hunting obviously, but for defense it's perfectly legitimate.

    As far as scorn from the hoi polloi, they already don't think much of shooting grouse on the ground. :D This is to be a working rifle for camping, hunting, personal defense and home defense. It's one of only a tiny handful of firearms that fills all those roles so well. Like my 452, I expect it to get banged and beaten. It's not a closet queen, though, and if it's as well built as the 452 or the 550's I've owned it should be more than tough enough for the tasks.
     
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    lol! Fair enuf! It just looked a little out of place to me. They are tools...
     
  13. Cosmoline

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    Yes, it looks goofy. But it works! I'm calling it "Serenity"
     
  14. dm1333

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    The technical term is "ground sluicing" and it make the bird taste better. If you ever get the notion to see if one of the Ashleys scout mounts will fit I would love to know. After reading about the CZ 527 I think I am going to buy one this summer and give up the idea of an Enfield in 7.62x39. Do you know if there are any see through rings for it? I may just have to keep working on shooting right handed.
     
  15. Cosmoline

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    I don't know if the Ashley mount would work. The dovetail for the rear sight is quite a bit larger than most US rear sight dovetails I've seen on leverguns. You'd probably have to do some home home smithing and d&t the receiver. It would be some work, for sure.

    But the irons on this thing are first rate, so I'm not sure why you'd need a scout scope on it. If you've never tried CZ irons, I'd suggest doing that before going to a scout scope. They're many times better than anything on a US made firearm.
     
  16. RugerOldArmy

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    ...and if you go with irons, you could get a fullstock model.

    [​IMG]

    How do you think this would look with Cosmo's flashlight? :neener:

    (sorry, an ugly woman is functional, but a pretty woman is ART!)

    - The hoi polloi ;)
     
  17. RugerOldArmy

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    DM,

    Rings seem to be the biggest problem w/CZ rifles. Not many options. I know Warne, Talley, CZ, BKL, and leupold make 'em. Never did see a see-thru set.

    ...then again, I've never seen a 527 w/ a rail until today. (Just picking on you Cosmo!)
     
  18. dm1333

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    Being left handed I like scout scopes, it makes working the action easy. I am working on shooting righty, also. I think I mispoke, the scout mount is not the Ashley ghost rings, I think they call it XS mount. You have to glass bed it to the action, it would actually mount behind the rear sight where the barrel is attached to the receiver. I know they make one that fits Enfields and another for Mauser type actions. I don't think I would want to do any smithing to that gun it is just to pretty the way it is. I'm probably still going to buy one, being able to scout scope it would just be a big plus. I just agreed on a price for an FR-8 so I won't be buying the CZ till late summer. How do you adjust the sights on the CZ, I know the rear is drift adjustable, does it also adjust for elevation? Sweet looking little gun! I'm semi jealous!
     
  19. Cosmoline

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    The CZ has scope rails milled right in, so there are no holes for a regular scope mount. The trick would be to build a special mount that would fit the large dovetail on the barrel, on top of which you would have to mount a special bridge mount that would need to be level. It's not a small task, and it would ultimately be pretty pointless. You have to remember that this is a MINIATURE rifle in the true sense. It's literally smaller in every respect, which means the relief between your eye and the back of a scope mounted AO style would be quite close. In order to function as a scout scope, the scope would need to be kicked out to center over the rear sight.

    Best move? Just learn to use iron sights.
     
  20. Skofnung

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    Cosmoline:
    I see your logic in choosing this rifle, and I agree with you.
    I like your choice of name for her as well. :D

    I think one of these would suit my wife. What is the fully loaded weight of that baby? More importantly, does it balance well? Anything that is front heavy throws her off.
     
  21. Cosmoline

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    I just took "Serenity" for a short spin at the range. I can't get used to the hair trigger, and my groups with it were actually much worse than the regular weight. My finger is used to the weight of a Mosin's trigger.

    The rifle is quite light, and is so well balanced the felt weight is almost nil. Yet it does have some substance to it, so recoil is minimal. No greater than a .357 levergun. What's really interesting is that recoil is actually a lot LESS with the CZ than it is with the SKS, even though the SKS has about two pounds on it. I'm able to reaquire the target faster with the CZ. It would make a perfect rifle for a small-framed shooter, but it also works well for others. I may end up adding about an inch to the buttstock and replacing the rubber pad with a brass one. I found I didn't need the recoil reduction at all, and the rubber has a tendency to catch on clothes and the beard.

    The whole platform is very small, which takes some getting used to after shooting a lot of full size military rifles. I capped off about 100 rounds and it wasn't until the very end that I finally started finding my way around it. Once I did, though, I was able to fire with excellent speed. I suspect my aimed rate of fire will be equal to or better than the SKS in time. There is no need to break the cheek weld or move your head at all to cycle the action.

    I fired off five different types of ammo. It gave a range of groups at 75 yards from two inches to an inch and a half. But I wasn't really trying to do dime groups this time, I was too rushed. It is sighted in so that the target should rest on top of the sight dot.
     
  22. grimjaw

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    Skofnung, I have the same rifle. It's very well balanced, IMO, and it shoulders quick for me.

    jmm
     
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    RugerOldArmy.....have one just like your pic..in 223.....scary accurate!
     
  24. Cosmoline

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    They make a 550 in .223?
     
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    Actually, the pic is of a 452 FS (22LR). My 550 is a .308 Win. "Scary Accurate" was my impression too! (I kept my first almost-sighted group, pic below. 175 SMK(s) are even better, but you have to shoot farther to notice.) The 452 shoots just as well (the pic isn't mine, I have a 452 Varmint), it prefers the subsonic stuff. Under 1/2" at 50 scoped w/a rest.

    [​IMG]

    The wood stock on mine isn't fully free-floated, or warped just a bit. It touches on one side just behind the forend. I haven't touched it yet, but I think it will clean up easily with a little sandpaper and a deep well socket. When I do that I plan to Accra-gel the action. For now, like the 452, it shoots too well to mess with.

    CZ doesn't offer .223 550(s), but do have .223 527(s). There ARE .22-250 550(s) though.

    I saw one in the 550 Laminate Varmint version at the ISRA range that shoots like a house-a-fire, better than my XR-100. I'm wondering if I should have gotten the CZ .22-250 (or held out for the Savage LRPV) instead of the remington, but it's still early. If the XR-100 won't shoot like my CZ(s), I'll spring for a Pac-Nor barrel in .22-250 Ackley.

    I'm beginning to think Savage has a rival for out-of-the-box shooters in CZ. They're still cheaper, but CZ prices seem to be catching up a little now that folks know of them.

    Cosmo, I'll bet that sucker shoots better than your first impression is. The trigger may grow on ya. (remember, they have an adjustable trigger, you may choose to adjust it heavier). But where you are, 10 min with a deep wall socket and some sandpaper, a quick seal of the sanded barrel channel with poly or tru-oil, and a fast accra-glass job may be worth it with the temp changes.

    I'd like to see what the 7.62x39 would do with some handloading too. I see no reason why it couldn't be an accurate cartridge.
     
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