CZ-75 in .45?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by schmeky, Dec 24, 2008.

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  1. wally

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    IMHO, the EAA Witness Elite Match is the pistol the CZ97 should have been. Cost is about the same. The standard Witness costs less and is still pretty good, but if at all possible save up and get the Elite Match over the standard Witness.

    I've had the opposite problem with 200gr lead SWC reloads -- feed fine in my Witness, poorly in my CZ97B.

    --wally.
     
  2. CZF

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    Firstly, the 97B was never designed to be a carry gun, but you could say the same for the Witness Match.

    My 97B fed everything I could throw into it.
    Thousands of rounds and zero problems.

    Glossy Blue (no longer offered ) and a joy to hold and
    operate.
    Mods were. Stainless guide rod.
    MMC Adjustable Nights.
    Some Trigger work.
    Slimline Hakan Grips.

    The gun shot like a laser!

    Finances forced me to sell it and my equally modded
    and impressive P-01. Worst move I've ever made and I regret that day and the reason why. The guys who bought them were
    very happy.

    Still, my Witness pistol in 10mm has a slick action with great trigger pull(s) and has been totally reliable with factory ammo and most of my handloads.

    However, like the 97B it is both Big and Heavy to carry, with a nod to the Witness for a lower cost.

    CZ will never make a 97B or other model in 10mm, no market for it on a global scale. Same thing for the 38 Super, but there have been experiments with the .357 SIG.
     
  3. rbernie
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    I went back and checked my records, and I've had four CZ97Bs. None of them would feed 'everything I could throw into it'. All of them would feed hardball and some specific HP (usually Remington GSs). But none of them were truely ammo insensitive, and all of them could be made to choke trying to feed some form of defense ammo or another.

    That wasn't why I got rid of them, but it was an annoyance that I haven't had to deal with in my Sigs and M&Ps and other 45ACP platforms.
     
  4. schmeky

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    There are some bullet types my particular 97 just won't feed from a full mag. If you load 8 rounds instead of 10, I have no problems. There are 3 potential feeding issues with a 97:

    1) Slide lock is to large inside the frame. Can cause the nose of the top round to be pushed to the right slightly, hanging up on the raised right side edge of the feedramp.

    2) Feed ramp is narrow. Wide truncated cone style hollow points can hit the outside edges of the feedramp causing a stoppage.

    3) Magazine causes the top 10th rounds rim to dig into the rim channalure of round number 9, causing a "nose dive" into the bottom of the feedramp.

    This is not a condemnation of the 97, quite the contrary. It was designed, in my opinion to feed round nose ammo, and it does this slendidly. I love mine, but I know what it likes.

    However, My Sig 220, M&P 45, Norinco and Kimber 1911's will reliably cycle anything. But I shoot my 97 much more.
     
  5. tekarra

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    Followup on amoredmans comment about a 75 frame .45 acp.
    Several years ago I had a Witness .45, before they brought out the large frame, and it was a good pistol. Don't recall any real problems with it and regret selling it. If cZ did introduce a .45 in a 75 frame, I would beat a path to their door.
     
  6. schmeky

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    I agree, but Tanfoglio already makes one. In some ways, it's an improvement over the CZ design.

    Shot the best 25 yard group I've fired all year with a new Witness .45. My eye sight makes it difficult to shoot well at 25 yards, but I managed to put 8 out of 12 rounds into 2" from a rest.
     
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