CZ Bren 2 MS Carbine Accuracy

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  1. sisyphus

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    I'm had this rifle for a little over a year now. It's an evolution of the AR18, which makes it unique in a safe full of ARs and AKs. There's a lot to like about it: folding stock, polymer lower that doesn't suck, bolt hold open and release inside the trigger guard in addition to the AR-like controls, adjustable gas block with normal suppressed and off settings, ambi safety, ambi side charging, mlok handguard, a polymer milspec two stage trigger that is shockingly nice for a polymer mil spec trigger.

    I settled on 55 grainers on 25 grains of TAC as my standard 223 load, so I re-zeroed all my 223 rifles for my loads. I did my Bren last weekend, and I was shocked because it shoots minute of pie plate.

    1. The last three rifles I bought were a Larue, a Daniel Defense, and a JP. They all shoot moa. Am I judging the Bren unfairly because the last three rifles I bought are lasers?

    2. My Zastava AK shoots minute of pie plate, and I wouldn't part with it for anything.

    3. Accuracy aside, when I set up multiple steels in the 50 yd ballpark for speed drills shooting from a sling, I hit all my shots just like I do with my moa shooting rifles. However, at 300 yds it might be another story.

    I'm torn between keeping this rifle because of how unique it is in my collection, and trading it in to my FFL so I can get a 16" PWS to use as a suppressor host instead. The PWS should shoot moa if my 11.5" PWS is any indication.

    Am I giving up on a perfectly fine combat tested carbine that is also cool and different just because I can't put 5 shots in a quarter sized group from 100 yds? Would you?

    I love the confidence my moa shooting rifles inspire. My friend at work says I'm nuts, he says keep the Bren because that's an end of the world carbine that he'd trust his life to in any conditions, whereas my moa shooting carbines are set up so tight it's asking for trouble if you find yourself in a dirty real world environment for an undetermined amount of time or can't clean your rifle any time soon.

    What say you THR? Embrace the Bren and forget about the minute of pie plate accuracy, or trade for something that puts five shots on a quarter at 100 yds? What would you do?
     
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  2. sisyphus

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    also, the Bren has a 1:7 twist vs 1:8 in everything else I have. I know I could squeeze more accuracy out of the Bren going to a 69 or 75 grain bullet.
    I don't really want to load a special load for one rifle, and 55 grainers are less than half the cost of anything else for plinking.
     
  3. NIGHTLORD40K

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    Dont know about the Bren, but AR18s are pretty famous for poor accuracy.
     
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    Could try some 62gr SS109... honestly probably what its meant for as thats the standard Nato (hence Czech) round now and they aren't expensive. I picked up a bunch of X-Tac 62gr. green tips on optics planet recently for only 5 cents more per round than the 55gr stuff.
     
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  5. sisyphus

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    I have a few magazines loaded with Xtac left over from before I started making my own 223. I could try shooting a couple groups with that next weekend to see.
     
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  6. CapnMac

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    For those keen on a photo to know what's being talked about:
    CZBren2MsCarbineRWeb-1.png
    Per the CZ USA site, the Specifications are:
    I'm not entirely sure I'm keen on controls inside the trigger bow on a modern rifle; but, it's an issue I'm some wishy-washy with, too. That MSRP gives me a bit of a pause, too--but, that's me being cheap & miserly. (I mean,really, that's 3.6 Glocks! :D)
     
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  7. arsterling180

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    OP when did you buy this rifle? I remember hearing that the 16 inch barrels on the first run of these had very meh accuracy.
     
  8. sisyphus

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    March 2021 I think
     
  9. valnar

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    We're a bit alike.

    I'm a big fan of CZ guns. My all time favorite is the Vz.58, of which I own a couple. I also have CZ 75's, a Scorpion EVO 3 S1, a CZ 452...you get the drift. However I've read too many bad things about the CZ Bren 2 so I've stayed away. Your experience echoes what I've read elsewhere.

    Funny enough, I also own a PWS MK116 MOD 1. That is my 5.56 slinging gun of choice (I don't own a "regular" DI AR15 at all). Besides the piston, I'm a fan of the 1:8 barrel because I tend buy 55gr surplus ammo. I'd say skip the Bren 2 MS and get yourself another PWS. I won't post the link here since it refers to another forum, but if you google comparisons between the Bren 2 MS and any PWS rifle, you'll find a near 100% agreement with me.
     
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