CZ question for those with a little experience

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Those who don't like Cz's will try to make an issue about it, but those who own Cz's know it's really not an issue. I have no problems racking the slide on a 75B, PO1 or 82, even though I'm 66 with with old construction worker hands. A younger person who says it's a problem racking a CZ. Well what can I say?? It's lower bore axis because of the design more than makes up for any inconvenience a smaller slide grip area might cause weather it be real or imagined. Oil on the slide? Your kidding right ? If you have to much oil on the slide and it hinders your ability operate of the slide properly that's your fault not the guns.
 
the frame lessens the amount of exposed slide enough to make it difficult or cumbersome to slingshot the slide.
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Really??

The over the top handgun slide manipulation technique is the one taught at Gunsite. It offers a lot of grasping strength and can be used to work the slide, regardless of the reason for doing so.
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Either way, no problem for me.

Jim
 
Those who don't like Cz's will try to make an issue about it, but those who own Cz's know it's really not an issue.
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^^^^^And that says it all right there.
 
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Never had trouble manipulating the slide, but I don't like the fact that any lubrication on the slide rails is exposed to your hands when you rack the slide, unlike the more common frame inside slide configuration.​
Do you have really fluffy hands?
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I'm not sure exactly what that means.

I typically use a very light grease containing fine molybdenum disulfide powder to lubricate the slide rails on autopistols. It's a black color and can be messy if it gets where it doesn't belong. That's not an issue for guns with the frame inside the rail as the lubrication is inside the slide and isn't ever exposed. You don't get it on yourself or on your hands when racking the slide or when the slide is locked back because the lubrication is on an inside surface of the slide.

With the CZ, the slide rails are on the outside of the slide since the slide rides inside the frame. Lubricant on the slide rails is exposed when the slide is retracted and can get on your hands or on anything else the slide rails come in contact with. Racking the slide is one example, another is if you're working on a cold range where holstered pistols have to have the slides locked back.

I don't see it as a major issue, but it is something that I find irritating at times.
 
I typically use a very light grease containing fine molybdenum disulfide powder to lubricate the slide rails on autopistols. It's a black color and can be messy if it gets where it doesn't belong. That's not an issue for guns with the frame inside the rail as the lubrication is inside the slide and isn't ever exposed. You don't get it on yourself or on your hands when racking the slide or when the slide is locked back because the lubrication is on an inside surface of the slide.
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I've used Brownell's action lube on semi-auto's for a long time and have never had that problem.

I apply a thin layer on the slide rails, and then work the action several times manually. When I'm done I wipe off any excess, and have never had a problem.

How heavy do you apply it John?


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I need to switch to another lube for my 75B--even if there is very little there, you still know it has rubbed off on something when it leaves a black mark on anything it touches.

I typically apply it with a micro-tip flat bit screwdriver. You barely need any there, but if it's going to do anything at all, there needs to be some on the slide rails when you're done.

If the lube you're using is black and you're wiping off so much lube that there's none at all left to leave a black mark on anything it touches then you're wiping off more than the "excess". ;)

At any rate, I can guarantee you that what you're using is nothing at all like what I'm using. No one in their right mind would ever recommend that someone take the moly grease I'm talking about and apply it to "the outside of your guns" to "keep fingerprints neutralized and protect expensive bluing from rust and moisture damage that can occur during storage." I guess it would prevent fingerprint damage because the first time you touched a gun that had this stuff rubbed all over the outside of it, you'd never make that mistake again! :D
 
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I actually cut my palm pretty well during a match when doing a fast reload. I guess the rear sight caused it.

The p01 actually has a concave serration on the back, making it easier to rack with your 'pinch' method.

John...I have used synthetic motor oil for years on my CZ's. Doesn't take much, just a q-tip.

As for the smaller grasping area, I have to say 'yes' that it does add a bit of effort compared to the aircraft carrier Glock 21 I had.
 
That is one of many reasons I no longer own a CZ. That and the tiny ejection port add up to a gun that is far more difficult to clear jams and to get into operation.
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More bullarky from the usual suspect. I do double feed failure drills with my CZ all the time and have no problem with them. It do the drill in just under six seconds from double feed to two rounds on target. That's: Failure, tap, rack Failure. Slide lock, strip mag, rack rack rack, insert mag, rack, fire, fire.

Glocks or 1911s don't do it any faster.
 
I am a diehard CZ shooter. I sold all my other pistols and only have CZs and a 1911. At a glance it may seem like it can be annoying, but It's a non issue once you actually run the gun. A friend who I recently turned onto CZs had the same concern. He was very hesitant on buying one because he was convinced the smaller slide would be an issue.

Well, he bought 2 in the same month.
 
I think we need to define some terms here. What is "slingshotting" the slide? It seems that some people may be interchanging the "slingshot" and the overhand grip. Here is the overhand grip:

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I like this as it gives maximum purchase/grip on the slide for me, it works with all guns, and it is better positioned for stoppage clearing.

Here is what I would consider to be "slingshotting":

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This is how you would hold the projectile cup of a slingshot.

I don't like this method. To hold the gun upright while racking the slide, you - or at least I - need to cock your wrist, as in the picture. It works better if you hold the gun on its left side, but if you're clearing a stoppage you need to also roll it to the right side. And if you use it on a CZ, your thumb and finger could very well slip off.
 
I had a CZ SP-01 and while it was different then my 1911's that I am used to, I never had an issue with it. I have read that the slide in the frame helps with accuracy and the CZ I had was pretty darn accurate........I could be wrong though and it wouldn't be the first time :)
 
I had to think if I've ever tried the overhand grip in the photo and I'm not sure I ever have, CZ or Springfield. I'll give it a whirl at the range next time I visit.
 
With my CZ75B I just use the overhand grip when chambering a round. Haven't had to clear a malfunction yet but if I do I doubt it'll be as big a deal as some make it out to be.
 
I don't like this method. To hold the gun upright while racking the slide, you - or at least I - need to cock your wrist, as in the picture. It works better if you hold the gun on its left side, but if you're clearing a stoppage you need to also roll it to the right side. And if you use it on a CZ, your thumb and finger could very well slip off.
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An acquaintance, who has worked with Special Ops and Special Forces troops at Fort Bragg for years, as an instructor, told me a couple of years ago, that they are no longer teaching the "sling shot" method as a standard part of handgun drill. (You still need to know how to TAP/RACK/BANG as a clearance drill, of course.)

The reason: too many troops in Afghanistan and Iraq were having problems with the slide NOT going fully into battery after a mag change, using the sling shop method when the slide was locked back. They now teach using the slide release, using either the strong hand thumb, or the offhand as the last step in the mag insertion drill. They rack the slide using the overhand method when they can.

Whether people acknowledge it or not, either method requires "fine motor skills" when it comes to releasing the slide, and it may be that the sling shot method is more prone to problems under combat conditions, especially with the troops are wearing gloves, etc.

When I was shooting competitively (IDPA) I found that I was just as fast, and more sure of myself, using the offhand to release the slide. And the overhand method when I needed to rack the slide. When releasing the slide I didn't use just one finger of the off-hand to depress the release, but several fingers together, like a claw. A "plus" of this technique: you can do it all without moving the gun away from the target area and you don't have to use your strong hand thumb to release the slide -- some folks can't reach it. The sling-shot requires a dramatic move of the barrel away from the target area.

When I've watched the top shooters in the "combat" games, few use the sling shot method, UNLESS they need to clear a jam. It's not life or death in that context, but it is important to them -- and the results mean dollars. So they do what works best for them.

Do what you want and what works best for you. Confidence is important, too.


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No problem with my CZ 85B. I have more problem racking the slide on my Browning Hi-Power. The BHP is so hard, I sometimes cock the hammer first.

I had always pinched the slide from the rear (I am right handed) tilting the gun to about 9:30 position and pulling with my left hand. The BHP was killing me. A friend at the gun store noticed how I was doing it and said clamp the slide with your left hand over the top of the slide and hold with the left hand and push forward with the right hand. Wow, what a difference that made.
 
The reason: too many troops in Afghanistan and Iraq were having problems with the slide NOT going fully into battery after a mag change, using the sling shop method when the slide was locked back. They now teach using the slide release, using either the strong hand thumb, or the offhand as the last step in the mag insertion drill. They rack the slide using the overhand method when they can.
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Very interesting. A slingshot, if properly executed, is actually MORE likely to result in a proper feeding cycle than using the slide release.

I have tested this with one of my guns. After around 900-1000 rounds without cleaning, it will begin to occasionally have malfunctions when the slide release is used to chamber the first round from a full magazine. However, it continues to work perfectly if that first round is chambered using a proper slingshot technique.

The reason is that a properly slingshotted slide actually has a little more energy since the recoil spring is compressed a little more than it would be if it were simply dropped from the locked open position.
 
I have always used the overhand method on every autoloader I have shot, including my CZ.
 
I have to use my offhand thumb to activate the slide release on my CZ 75 SP-01 because it's too far away from my shooting hand thumb. Not a problem once you get used to it.
 
The reason: too many troops in Afghanistan and Iraq were having problems with the slide NOT going fully into battery after a mag change, using the sling shop method when the slide was locked back.
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You shouldn't be using the slingshot on the M9 anyways... Unless you like accidentally putting your weapon on safe in the middle of a firefight.
 
I'll be the lone dissenter here. I own several CZs, and do like them very much. However, I have noted the lack of purchase on the slide. I've never had an issue with it, but I could see how others might not like it.

As a side note, the Steyr GB has a slide mounted decocker, and I swear it was designed to aid grip when operating the slide slingshot style.
 
I currently own 7 CZ pistols and a Kimber. Sligshotting the slide has never been a problem for my wife or me. I didn't even know it was considered a problem for anyone. This is the first I've heard of it.
 
I have a CZ 75 and a BHP. Honestly, I've never paid it much attention. The only real difference I have between the two is that the slide on the CZ is easier to cycle. Actually, I really like the recessed slide. Makes more sense, and lowers the sights closer in line to the bore.
 
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