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  1. SJG26

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    "Detritus Anyone know if anyone makes Apperture (peep) sights for CZ's rimfire rifles??"

    You mean like these??


    These are drop-in replacements for the rear sight blade made from laser cut steel finished with black oxide. The apertures available are 1/8", 7/64", 3/32", and 5/64" (3.2mm, 2.8mm, 2.4mm, and 2.0mm).

    http://ebrooks77.50megs.com/
     
  2. Z_Infidel

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    I have a CZ 550 FS in .30-06, and overall I like it a lot. The only trouble I have is that sometimes the bolt gets hung up when I'm trying to close it. If I push on the rear of the bolt with the palm of my hand I don't have this problem -- only when I use the bolt handle. I've heard that other Mauser-type actions sometimes have this problem.

    My rifles has iron sights (which I wanted) but I mounted a Leupold VX-II 1-4X scope on it. I wanted to keep it lower to the bore than the CZ rings allow, so I bought some Warne medium-height rings and they work great. They do not interfere with operation of the bolt at all. Of course, my scope does not have a very large lens bell on it either.
     
  3. bender

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    that's the same thing I've read on other forums about CZ rifles... that's why I started this thread on THR.
     
  4. BozemanMT

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    I have a 452, two 527's and a 550
    Best damn value in a rifle going.
    Amazing, and I love the set trigger.
    You can't go wrong.
     
  5. bender

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    I downloaded the CZ catalog and printed it out... I read about the "set triggers"...

    Does this mean... sorry if I'm dumb... when you first fire the rifle, it is in "normal" mode.. meaning "creepy trigger". Then if you push the trigger forward, it goes into a better mode... with a nice "glass rod break"...

    Then what mode is it in when you next fire...? I mean, once you push the trigger forward, is the rifle in that "target" mode for the rest of the shooting session... or do you have to push it forward EACH time you want to be in that "target" mode...

    sorry, but I don't have any modern rifles.. all mine are old milsurps... I don't really know anything about nice rifles...

    :confused:
     
  6. BozemanMT

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    But this isn't a AR15, you aren't shooting 1000's of rounds in a day.
    You sit there, you line up the sights, you gently push the trigger forward, it sets, you hold, you breath, you touch the trigger.
    The trigger is VERY light after set. I think (but don't quote me) it's adjustable, but I'm not sure, id' have to dig out all my paperwork and find out
    and well, I"m lazy.
    :p
     
  7. bender

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    yeah, if I buy a CZ rifle for myself, I'm gonna use to learn to shoot accurately... not fast...

    well, I think the set trigger is a good idea. according to the CZ catalog, its something like 1.5 lbs. That'll be nice. I swear, some handguns feel like 10 lbs of force is needed on the trigger...

    I'm heading to sportsman warehouse in about an hour to check 'em out!!
     
  8. R.W.Dale

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    Also if for whatever reason you "set" the trigger and decide not to fire the gun. You can put the rifle on saftey and return the trigger to normal mode by pulling the trigger. WITH THE SAFTEY ON!
     
  9. Detritus

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    You have to "set" the trigger each time.
    In large part set triggers are simply a way to have a good to excellent trigger and still be reasonably sure that a properly maintained gun will not fire untill YOU want it to. good thing is that with CZ rifles the unset trigger pull is still usable, there are some designs out there that give you a "Set" pull weight that is scary light, an unset pull weight that is in the "three men and a mule, possibly a gorrilla as well" realm.
     
  10. Luis Leon

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    Bender,

    I own a CZ527 in 7.62x39mm and an 452 American in .22 lr. For me they are great values for the money, accurate shooters, all wood and steel. The CZ527 is a dandy little carbine, I can't wait to use it this deer season. The CZ452 has accounted for many, many woodchucks and various other small game. I don't think you can go wrong with CZs. Good luck with your decision.

    Luis Leon

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    CZ75 kadet .22 lr adapter kit
     
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  11. robctwo

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    I just got back from the range. Took the CZ 527 Varmint .204 Ruger out for a beak-in. I had to go back to Sportsman's Warehouse to get the high Warne sights. Warnes come in the 16mm base that is designed to fit on the dovetails on the CZ receiver. I set the gun up in the parking lot. Not going to drive 30-45 minutes away to find out they don't work. They do.

    Set up at the range at 100 yds with about 5-10 mph cross wind. Did the poor man's bore sight. Large orange stick on target in the middle of a bunch of white butcher's paper. Right on in 5 shots. I cleaned the bore after every shot for the first 15, then every 2 shots for about 12-14, then every three or four shots. Groups were OK, but didn't expect fantastic during break-in with factory ammo and Leupold 3x9 scope. Fun gun to shoot.

    The set rigger is great. Push forward to set with the second segment of the trigger finger. When I touch the trigger with the pad of the trigger finger it is going off. It feels just like the Savage 223 with accu trigger set at 1 1/2 lbs.

    Not sure why I have both the .223 qnd .204. Probably so neither one over heats. Oh yea, that's why I got the Bushy last year. Our range set up some steel targets on a stand for pistol shooting at one end or the range, with a rope to reset. I took a couple pistols along as well. What a hoot to take a break from the long guns and shoot steel.
     
  12. bender

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    Just got back from sportsman's warehouse. They had a few CZ rifles, but not the Scout, or the 527 Carbine. I got on a "request list", so they will check with their supplier if they can get them...

    I handled a couple other CZ rifles. Like I said, I don't know much about modern rifles, and don't own one. I guess the stocks are wood, but they look kind of slick, shiny, and plasticy... I'm used to wood that looks like wood... like on my old milsurps...

    or maybe they weren't wood... but some kind of laminate
     
  13. Selfdfenz

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    Yep great minds do sometimes cover nearly the same ground.
    I got a MKII BV back in the summer. The Accutrigger is really nice! So's the price.

    But..not to be my usual thread-stealing-self....I remember seeing ads in SGN for Palma peeps (or was it a Williams Unit?) a couple of months back at Sarco and at the time the price seems good. I was tempted to order one just in case a project ever turned up. They don't have them listed in this volume. I've never purchased anything from Sarco but others here have. Perhaps they can share how things went.

    Not sure if you could adapt that unit to your CZ but Sarco seems to have a ton of different stuff on and off their site so one can only wonder what a phone call might turn up.

    Best,
    S-
     
  14. BozemanMT

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    Me too, rifles should be blued and wood (revolvers too), we must be old. ;)

    My CZ's are real wood, and pretty good pieces too. I do know they make a plastic stock for better accuracy, carrying around etc, but it's not pretty. I'm not sure if they make a laminate. Check the website I suppose. But it's well polished wood on all mine.
     
  15. bender

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    found a CZ dealer at a local gun show today. Bought a Scout for $229 out the door. My kid's xmas present.

    It was a very small rifle. I was tempted to get the 452 "Trainer" which was slightly bigger, and about $30 more. But I didn't think I had enough cash on me, so I got the Scout.

    Turns out he went down from $249 marked, to $229, so I would have enough cash for the Trainer... oh well. My kid will love the Scout anyway. Guy threw in a 5-round mag out of the Trainer, since the Scout only comes with a 1-round "mag".

    The guy had a lot of CZ scopes there also, what about the quality of them? I wouldn't mind keeping the rifles "entirely CZ". The scopes seemed to be reasonably priced.
     
  16. Vincent

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    I love Blondie

    `5 months ago I bought the most accurate 22 Hornet I have ever seen and I have owned 5 and seen many more. How does 13 grs Lil Gun, Rem case, Rem 6 1/2 primer or Win small pistol primer, 35 gr Hornady Vmax shooting into .375" 5 shot 100 yard groups sound? I have tried about 8 load combos and only one has shot over 1". It was less than 1 1/4". It is a CZ 527 American in a Maple stock. It is the only rifle I have ever named....Blondie. I love this rifle. Normally by now I would have it all torn apart and be glass bedding and such. But with this rifle AVERAGING between .5 and .6 for all groups measured (about 150 groups) I'm afraid to touch it.

    If someone tries to sell you the rings for this rifle you are being ripped off. I know because my dealer tried it. At least the American COMES with CZ rings, it says so right in the manuals. But at $53 some dealers are taking them out of the box and selling them seperate. My dealer sold me a set. Then I read the manual and looked in the box and there they were! When I took the other set back to get my money back the owner asked why I did not want the rings. His son said they were in the box. The dirty looks exchanged said it ALL:cuss: . Someone was supposed to remove them and sell them to me. They forgot to take them out of my box:neener: :neener: I showed them the manual and let them know I would let everyone at the range know how great it was to get rings WITH your rifle:scrutiny: :eek: :rolleyes:

    I really love this rifle. It is the only centerfire I have shot since purchasing it.
     
  17. R.W.Dale

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    Vincent is correct! I cannot vouch for the CZ550 but the Cz527's that do not have sights come with scope rings. Whereas the carbine and the FS 527's don't come with rings.

    As far as I know none of the rimfire CZ's come with rings.
     
  18. bender

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    In the CZ catalog, when a rifle is pictured with a scope, it usually says in small print...
    "scope & rings not included"

    however, on a pic of a rimfire 452 with a scope, it just says "scope not included"

    Actually, after I bought the rifle, I took the box to my parent's house to "hide" it there, so my son wouldn't find it somewhere in my own house. I don't even know if there's rings in it or not. I forgot to look at the show. All I made sure of in the box was that the bolt was in there, and all instructions & various papers...

    I don't remember seeing any rings, hope I didn't get ripped.

    The 527 Carbine I still want doesn't come with rings, according to the catalog.
     
  19. R.W.Dale

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    It's no big deal with the CZ rimfires, as they take standard rimfire rings (even the euro models with the 11mm dovetail if you use angle loc rings). The CZ centerfire rifles use more expensive propritary rings.
     
  20. bender

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    I'll probably want to put a "not too expensive" scope on my kid's xmas present. I don't know much of anything about scopes, and neither does he... :)

    We'll be shooting it probably at the range at 50yds, maybe 100.

    maybe 3x scope? Nothing too humongous... the Scout is a very small rifle...

    CZ SCOPES
    the gun show dealer had several CZ scopes on display, including CZ marked boxes... but the CZ catalog makes no mention of CZ scopes, and the CZ website doesn't either
     
  21. enkindler

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    I have to say that I have never shot a CZ but I was looking at them this past week because a good medium bore rifle would complete my bolt action hunting rifle set. I should also mention that I missed buying a new Winchester model 70 in 375 H&H by just a couple of weeks because I wasn't watching the news about the plant closure so I may be a little over critical but there was something on all the CZ rifles I looked at that concerned me.

    I looked at four examples at two shops and all of them had what appeared to be very uneven fit and finish between the barrel and the stock. Two of the examples actually appeared to touch the barrel on the right side near the muzzle and on the left side near the action.

    I understand that these rifles are at a very competitive price point but am I the only person who is concerned about the implications of a poor fitting on these rifles?
     
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    This is the only thing negative that I've run across with CZ's . In both cases I was able to rectify the issue in anout 15 minutes by fashoning a plastic shim to fit underneath the front recoil lug.
     
  23. Solsys

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    I own a CZ 452 (Standard version, .22LR) and a CZ 550 in 7x64 (standard version as well).

    My personal opinion is that there are few really inaccurate weapons nowadays.
    CZ are accurate weapons straight out of the box, whereas new weapons from some other brands require more time from their shooter to "become accurate". They are grouping well with a scope, but the iron sights are also quite usable.

    Lately I even prefer shooting using the iron sights than the scope, it is by no means wasted ammo, the accuracy is still there (it is, of course, also more challenging). I wouldn't spend so much time shooting using iron sights with other rifles (especially the Mosin-Nagant 1944, commonly rechambered to .30-284 because of french legislation).

    The general consensus at my range (in France) is that CZ weapons will have the same kind of "natural" precision out-of-the-box, so that you don't have to tweak for hours (+bedding +floating barrel etc.) to get an acceptable accuracy. Approximately half of the shooters at the range own a CZ , either a CZ 527 (in .222 Rem), most common, or a CZ 452 (.22LR rifle).

    My gunsmith told me CZ rifles are a big seller in France, and they're usually kept : it's relatively hard to find second-hand CZ rifles in France. This is a good sign for me.

    I am an amateur shooter (shooting in bench-rest mode most of the time), so I can't say they're sturdier than other brands, for I haven't done anything special with them in the 2 meters between the shooting bench and the carrying case... The mechanical aspect is sound, good metal & materials (well machined), nothing rattles, operation is smooth, no gadgets : simple, operational weapons.

    There are cheaper weapons to be had (especially chinese or russian in .22LR), and they also look cheaper, though I must say they can be as accurate.

    In purchasing a CZ rifle you know you are purchasing a rifle of good and known quality : you don't take a risk, and you certainly have everything you paid for. Marketing people would say it's a "family father" investment.

    And I'm still hesitating between a Glock and a CZ 75 for a handgun (though on this one the Glock might win...)
     
  24. CZguy

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    I think both the Glock and the CZ are excellent firearms, very well made and extremely durable.

    Personally I have difficulty shooting a Glock because of it's grip angle. To me it's not a natural pointer like the CZ-75B.
     
  25. claiborne

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    Most accurate rimfire ever

    I have owned 2 each: Marlin 39a, Marlin M-60, and 1 each, Remington 504, Henry Golden Boy, Ruger 10-22 (in various stages of modification), Ruger 77-22, TC 22. Al these rifles had various models of scopes and sights. As well I spent time with each one and many flavors of .22 ammo to find the perfect squirrel killer. Only the 504 and two of the 10-22's stages were target models. I will never get rid of the only .22 rifle I have left. It is a CZ 452 Trainer. With its combat sights, off sandbags on the hood of my Tacoma, it will shoot PMC .22 Zapper ammo inside a quarter at 100 yards. For hunting, I use Winchester 40 grain HP and on one stretch of Nevada dirt highway, I killed 23 jackrabbits in 35 minutes within 3 miles. One day at a large rockpile my shooting buddy and I killed 16 lizards with 20 shots.
    I also have a CZ 452 American 17hmr with a Burris 4X12 compact using Burris Signature rings and a Weaver adapters from Eric Brooks. This rifle shoots inside a dime at 100 yards of off sandbags with CCI 17 grn rounds. This rifle is death on squirrels out to 200 yds (calm winds).
    By the way if you have CZ rimfire rifles, you need to go to http://cz452.com/ I highly recommend the Weaver adapters and the trigger kits.
    My newest and sexiest rifle is bound to be as brilliant. I am having a custom CZ 452 .19 Badger rifle built by James Calhoon. He takes stock CZ 452, fits a Pac Nor barrel and tunes the action. Try JamesCalhoon.com

    I purchased, sold, traded, and dinked with dozens of rifles; these CZ's are my favorite by far. I do not care for CZ style handguns so I can't offer an opinion on those.
    Cheers.............
     
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