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CZ-USA's 2013 catalog on PDF.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by CZF, Mar 27, 2013.

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  1. CZF

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    It's a good thing they have a catalogue, since you can't find any of their guns to look at :)

    That "operator" on the cover looks like she has some skills.
     
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    I'm really looking forward to seeing those P-09s, those look sweet!
     
  4. Jim NE

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    Are the P-09s for sale yet? Haven't seen them anywhere. Of course, I think it's hard to get any CZ pistols right now. The P-09's higher capacity and stretched out looks makes it more appealing (to me) than the P-07.
     
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    Ahhhh, yeah! Thanks for the pics.
     
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    I don't understand where the new P-09 fits in CZ line up. Isn't it about the same size as the polymer framed SP-01 Phantom?

    I still prefer the all steel, or aluminum alloy framed pistol from CZ. However, I do understand they need to compete in the polymer world as well. For carry, I really don't see the benefits of the P-07 over the PCR or P-01. It is less expensive, but for the small difference in cost, I still would go for the metal framed pistols.
     
  8. Walt Sherrill

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    While everything is about the same, according to the new catalog -- it's a hair shorter and hair heavier -- there are some advantages over the SP-01 Phantom:

    1) 1 extra round in 9mm (19+1)
    2) Available in .40 S&W (with a 15 round mag) -- and that is not the case with the SP-01 Phantom (9mm only)
    3) Using the Omega trigger system, which is user-changeable from safety to decocker and back, which, coupled with the decocker and .40 S&W, makes it a bit more attractive for the LEO market.
     
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    That's basically what I said when this other thread was posted at the beginning of the month.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=706041
     
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    It's good to see that they decided to paint the little metal peice that has the serial number. The only thing I don't like about my P-07 is that bright, shiny spot on an otherwise mattte black gun.
     
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    JTQ,

    Great minds think alike. :)

    Walt, thanks for the description of the differences, but I don't think they are significant. Couldn't the Omega trigger have just been installed in the Phantom?
     
  12. Walt Sherrill

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    Probably. And the Phantom could probably be produced in .40 S&W, too, but they aren't produced that way at present. Maybe it was easier and more sensible to do it based on the P-07 than the Phantom. (I wonder how many Phantom's they've sold. I wouldn't be surprised to see that model slowly be dropped form the catalog...)

    I mentioned this elsewhere: I suspect the P-07/P-09 line is a going to become the base of a new MAIN BRANCH of the CZ tree -- one that will be growing longer, with more offshoots and variants.
     
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    Walt, I suspect that you may be right, which will hopefully lead to a true compact version in that line.
     
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    I think you guys are right. CZ is going down the P-07/P-09 path as they are less expensive to produce, and make more sense for the LEO market. Not that I think these are CZ's better pistols, but the cost pressures are driving the bus at this point.
     
  15. Walt Sherrill

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    When you think about it, there are a number of guns that have safety and decocker functions controlled by the same lever, and I've found all of them AWKWARD to use. And only a few of them actually allow cocked-and-locked carry -- and those seem even more awkward when it comes to developing proficiency.

    CZ developing a user-changeable decocker/safety mechanism is both innovative and smart marketing -- and I won't be surprised to see this "innovation" pushed in the coming years.

    I've no experience with the Omega trigger system, but have heard opinions ranging from "much better than the standard CZ trigger in the DA.SA guns" to "ok, but it can't be tuned as well as the standard CZ trigger." I guess I'll just have to save my pennies and keep my eyes open for a used P-07. (I usually TRADE for something like this, but don't have anything I want to get rid of at the moment.)

    When the CZ Custom Shop starts developing enhancements to the P-07/P-09 trigger I expect it to really take off.


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