CZ75B help

[SwampWolf]

Having said all of that, I manually decock guns frequently.

So do I and, with a little practice, it's not that hard to do and is perfectly safe when done right. One point should be made clear though, when it comes to "de-cocking" any pistol: If it has a decocker, use the decocker and nothing else.

 

[I6turbo]

My mileage does vary. I'm left handed, so carrying a cocked and locked CZ 75B would be pretty clumsy for me if I actually needed to disengage the safety. PCR for me.

I'm a PCR guy too for carry, but if you want a 75 B that suits your lefthandedness, that's why they make the 85 B, and part of the reason they made the 85 Combat.

 

[everydefense]

The "possibility" of an ND when manually decocking a 75 is virtually nil when PROPER procedures are followed. When your decocker fails you and a round goes into the floor, who can you blame then? With a proper manual decock operation, you can blame only yourself. It's about manning up and accepting responsibilities in handling your firearm instead of relying on something mechanical that can and will break thanks to Murphy.

And as for needing to disengage a safety, ever hear of anyone named Cooper? As in JEFF Cooper and the M1911?? No explanation is necessary. Some get it, some do not.

YMMV.

Sounds like someone is a Cooper worshiper/drone. Just because ol' Jeffy said something doesn't mean it's guaranteed to be 100% correct/best. He had some good ideas, but others (e.g. Scout rifle) fall squarely into this category:


There is more than one way to skin a cat, and the fact that you clearly take the "my way or the highway" approach tells me all I need to know about "who gets it, and who does not." (Yes, I see the "YMMV" at the end of your post, but the content of the post doesn't reflect that phrase/attitude.)

 

[peacebutready]

The CZ-75 was designed with a safety and the ability to be carried cocked and locked in mind. This is how Cooper advocated carrying them. Just read the manual ad learn to manually decock without having to trust an overly complicated decocker mechanism. Real CZ experts dislike the BD model, for good reasons.

The aluminum framed PCR is only available in BD form. It's unfortunate they didn't have one in B form (no decocker).

 

[everydefense]

The aluminum framed PCR is only available in BD form. It's unfortunate they didn't have one in B form (no decocker).

Maybe this is what you are looking for? It DOES have a rail (which you may or may not want), but it is an aluminum compact with the option to install a traditional safety.
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-01-ω-convertible-omega/
(They've added "Convertible" onto the name of all the Omega models to better highlight that you can switch between safety and decocker.)

 

[peacebutready]

@everydaydefense: Thanks. I didn't know about that model.

 

[everydefense]

@everydaydefense: Thanks. I didn't know about that model.

I actually didn't know about it til I flipped through a CZ-USA product brochure/magazine last night- good timing, huh?

Speaking of CZ-USA, here's a good breakdown on traditional safeties vs decockers straight from the horse's mouth:
http://cz-usa.com/news/safety-or-decocker/

 

[gotboostvr]

Those Omega P01's are scarce.
I've been hunting for one since they got announced.

 

[sirgilligan]

All of my CZs at this time are safety models. If I have to lower the hammer I use the half cock method. When I carry I carry all of my pistols the same way, empty chamber with safety off. If I have a sense of danger I would rack slide and go towards a safer place. Once safer put on safety, that is cocked and locked. I will put the pistol back to my preferred condition when I get home.

My S&W 659 has safety and decocker.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

Okay,... so, I have to ask... Empty chamber on a double action gun with a firing pin safety... and at half cock?

 

[Walt Sherrill]

...When I carry I carry all of my pistols the same way, empty chamber with safety off. If I have a sense of danger I would rack slide and go towards a safer place. Once safer put on safety, that is cocked and locked. I will put the pistol back to my preferred condition when I get home

With a CZ, at least the metal-framed models, the safety can't be used UNLESS the hammer is cocked, so you've no choice when the hammer is down. (If it can be engaged from the half-cock notch, something is worn or needs attention.).

Carrying with chamber empty is, of course, a matter of personal choice, but doing so assumes that you'll 1) have the time to rack the slide if confronted or attacked without any forewarning, 2) you won't be using your off hand to push someone of value to a safer position, or 3) you won't need to use the off hand to fend off an aggressor (with knife, stick or fists) while you draw your weapon.

For most of us, this discussion will remain a theoretical one, but I would suggest that to plan for the BEST bad case in your training or carry practices is not a good plan. Racking the slide takes time, no intervention from your attacker, and a clear mind on the part of the defender.

Is it safe to have a round chamberred? If the hammer is down, it takes a LONG trigger pull with a CZ, With a decocker-equipped gun, it's still a longer pull, but in either case, until the hammer is fully to the rear, the gun won't fire. If droped, the gun can't fire. If the hammer is slammed, it won't fire. The trigger must be pulled.

Okay,... so, I have to ask... Empty chamber on a double action gun with a firing pin safety... and at half cock?

Being funny?

 

[Destructo6]

Can I set down, a cocked and locked CZ with the safety on, in 3 gun?

Yes, that would be the most appropriate and probably fastest way to abandon a CZ DA/SA pistol.

From the USPSA 3-gun portion of the manual, describing the "ready condition" of pistols, rifles, and shotguns:

3.1.3 Autoloaders (treat all Rifles and Shotguns as “Single Action.”):


3.1.3.1 “Single action” – chamber loaded, hammer cocked, and the safety fully engaged (if the firearm is designed to have one).

3.1.3.2 “Double action” – chamber loaded, hammer fully down or de-cocked.

3.1.3.3 “Selective action” – chamber loaded with hammer fully down, or chamber loaded and

hammer cocked with external safety fully engaged.

3.1.3.4 With respect to Rules [3.1.4.1] and [3.1.4.3], the term “safety” means the primary visible

safety lever on the firearm (e.g. the thumb safety on a “1911” genre handgun). In the

event of doubt, the Range Master is the final authority on this matter.

 

[sirgilligan]

With a CZ, at least the metal-framed models, the safety can't be used UNLESS the hammer is cocked, so you've no choice when the hammer is down. (If it can be engaged from the half-cock notch, something is worn or needs attention.).

Carrying with chamber empty is, of course, a matter of personal choice, but doing so assumes that you'll 1) have the time to rack the slide if confronted or attacked without any forewarning, 2) you won't be using your off hand to push someone of value to a safer position, or 3) you won't need to use the off hand to fend off an aggressor (with knife, stick or fists) while you draw your weapon.

For most of us, this discussion will remain a theoretical one, but I would suggest that to plan for the BEST bad case in your training or carry practices is not a good plan. Racking the slide takes time, no intervention from your attacker, and a clear mind on the part of the defender.

Is it safe to have a round chamberred? If the hammer is down, it takes a LONG trigger pull with a CZ, With a decocker-equipped gun, it's still a longer pull, but in either case, until the hammer is fully to the rear, the gun won't fire. If droped, the gun can't fire. If the hammer is slammed, it won't fire. The trigger must be pulled.



Being funny?

For those that are looking for a reason to carry such, it is because of the various semi-auto handguns I own. Some are single action, some are double, some have decockers, some have safeties. Since I don't practice enough to master each approach and since I don't have the memory to tell by the feel which one I may have, I reduce the problem down to a solution that works for all.

If it ever came to a time when I needed to prepare for the worst, I would pick one firearm, and set it up for combat.

For instance I might have my Browning 1911-22 or a Browning Hi-Power, then I might grab the PPK/S or the CZ75B Compact, or maybe the S&W 659 or the 85B or SPO1, or just maybe a revolver. Someday I may have a polymer pistol like the CZ P-10, yet another variation.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

For those that are looking for a reason to carry such, it is because of the various semi-auto handguns I own. Some are single action, some are double, some have decockers, some have safeties. Since I don't practice enough to master each approach and since I don't have the memory to tell by the feel which one I may have, I reduce the problem down to a solution that works for all.

I understand your reasoning and while it is, for you, an intellectually satisfying "solution", I'd argue that your solution is focused on the wrong problem (which is your limited familiarity or training) and NOT on how to BEST use your carry weapon to protect yourself or those you love.

If we ignore your carry weapon, all of the other guns mentioned above can be used or transported without a round chambered without consequences. For those guns, that's a good practice. You can even treat those guns as though they're your carry gun -- as though they've got a round chambered when the chamber is empty -- and nothing bad can happen.

Your carry practice, however, should be centered on the gun you're most likely to carry and use for self or home defense -- and which might need to used without warning. Just don't load the other guns except when they're being used, leave the chambers empty when you choose to transport or carry them (in a holster). and treat them all as though they all have rounds chambered!

The other guns you own shouldn't affect how you carry or use or practice with your self-defense weapon.