Czech firearm laws

[Chisel Head]

This thread is up there on the first page, when looking it up on Google. Who cares how old it is, as long as it's still relavent and helpfull

 

[bogie]

That's why we has the interwebz... So folks wondering about questions can resurrect them!

 

[Chisel Head]

Is anyone aware that this thread's last post (other than to today) is October 6th 2005!

I see what you mean. JardaXor hasn't been active anywhere here, since 2005. Oh well, he's the guy who could be most helpfull, on this thread.
His posts, elsewhere, are interesting, though. Too bad he went and croaked or something.
Hope this isn't too far off-topic: the Czech Republic is full of wildlife. Aside from generous roadkill, I saw quite a few deer and the lakes are full off fish. Compared to overpopulated- Germany and France, the latter overhunted and overfished, the Czech Republic would be a lucrative market for organized hunting trips. Here, some pics of the country:

This one from our rented condo:



Some store front, in town:



From the backyard pier, overlooking the neighbor's backyard pier:

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[cambeul41]

I have a related question

My wife , on occasion, has business in the Czech Republic. She has her CCW. Would she be permitted to buy and ship/bring back firearms?

 

[Chisel Head]

Your second question makes little sense. Why would anybody wish to buy a firearm from a county with even more stringent laws than in Michigan for legal importation? If anything, purchasing a firearm in a foreign country only has the advantage of bringing it back to own as an unregistered weapon, unless you intend on keeping that firearm within the country where you have purchased it.
Don't get me wrong. I was born and raised in the Detroit area myself and have also owned an unregistered handgun, while transitting to work in SW Detroit. In case I had to repell a carjacker or whatever assailant, had that entity have suffered fatal wounds, the ballistics couldn't have been traced back to me. Thus, sparing me quite a bit of legal hassles, possible shakedowns and railroading of which I wouldn't have deserved because of excercising my constitutional right to defend myself and to bear arms

 

[Leif Runenritzer]

The world just got a little brighter to me.

 

[cambeul41]

Your second question makes little sense.

Second question? I asked only one.

Why? Possibly price -- assuming fewer middlemen.

Illegal? That had not crossed my mind. I was asking about legal possibilities. I did use the word "permitted."

 

[crushbup]

There is an ATF form to fill out to import a firearm. The best thing to do would be to email them, ask for the form, and the criteria for what is and is not allowed. You also need too follow all restrictions of the airline in bringing weapons into the U.S. You'll probably need to declare them at customs, which can bring a hefty fee.

Rather than price, I'd say it's better to have one marked Ceska Zborjovska (for example) rather than CZ USA, Kansas. It's just cooler.

 

[dalepres]

Is anyone aware that this thread's last post (other than to today) is October 6th 2005!

I'm glad it floated to the top; it was very interesting reading.

 

[Buck Nekkid]

Another consideration about personally importing firearms from the CZech Republic is that not all of their firearms are "legal" here in the U.S. Here is one example: The very cool CZ 92 in .25 acp.



I've been trying for several years to figure out a way to get one of these babies, but no cigar!

 

[Chisel Head]

...Second question? I asked only one...

Sorry, I meant the second part of the question

...Why? Possibly price -- assuming fewer middlemen...

Unless, you're buying direct from the manufacturer, are you expecting less middlemen elsewhere?
The Czech Republic is, in practice, a liberal county. Meaning, the more liberal countries, in Europe, are generally those with higher sales taxes to distribute to bottomless social pork barrels nationally and internationally.
To give you an example, when I left Michigan, the sales tax was 4%. Today, as you know, it has reached 6%. Within every 10 years, there, one can expect a 1% increase. Here in Germany, within the last 15 years, the sales tax has increased 5 percentage points to a whopping 19%. Therefore, If citizens residing outside of the EU do not enjoy duty-free privilege, in the Czech Republic, it would be sensible to look elsewhere

...Illegal? That had not crossed my mind....

Even if it did, I'm one of the last persons, here who would judge, let alone, care

...I was asking about legal possibilities. I did use the word "permitted."...

Fine. But, your question, formulated as it was, could attract unwanted attention from unpleasant people. I simply wanted to play the part of the Devil's advocate

...not all of their firearms are "legal" here in the U.S. Here is one example:...

Interesting. Is this weapon's compact size the reason it's illegal?

http://www.gundirectory.com/more.asp?gid=20210&gun=Pistol

 

[PercyShelley]

Take a look at the "sporting use" definition for pistols. I imagine that the barrel is too short and/or the caliber is too small.

Also, have some aspirin at the ready. US firearms import laws are egregiously nonsensical.

 

[Gibbles]

I think to import something like that, it would need to have like three or four safeties... unless someone manfactured it on US soil, then it would be good to go.

 

[Buck Nekkid]

My understanding about the legality of importing the CZ 92 is that it does not meet the "sporting use" criteria set up by the BATFE. I've been encouraging CZ-USA to start production of this little guy here in the US at their Dan Wesson facility. It would be sooooo cooool if they would take the original design, beef it up a little, and chamber it in .380 acp. It would be an outstanding competitor to the Kel-Tec and Ruger LCP.

If you have a real interest in the CZ 92 you might do a search for the CZ 45. This was a model that was imported in the late 40's and early 50's and is basically the same as the current CZ 92.

Here's a pic of my CZ 45:



With custom grips by Dennis Marschal in Hungary.

 

[PercyShelley]

It's probably a fair bit heavier than the kel tecs, but it does have personality, and that counts for a lot.

Wouldn't be too surprised to find out that it's more accurate than the kel tecs too.

 

[Tribal]

Be sure to look before each time you visit, just in case the laws have czanged...

 

[Chisel Head]

The world just got a little brighter to me.

Warum Herr Runenritzer? Sind Sie Sudetendeutscher?

 

[Chisel Head]

Bumpty-bump again

...The Czech Republic is home to at least two firearm manufacturers. What rights with regard to their products do they have over there?

When I bought my rifle, there were a couple of Mausers, on the display rack. I can still remember that the Czech-made was priced around $50. That was way back when, though. In Michigan, all you had to do was to present a driver's licence or some other form of pictorial identification.

Here's an interesting site about Czech-made Mausers:

http://members.aol.com/mudsmeller/mauser/index.html

 

[Chisel Head]

...Would she be permitted to buy and ship/bring back firearms?...

She could save herself a trip, if she can mail order the item direct from the manufacturer. Make it clear to the company that the item should be shipped as a gift, when that customs sticker is to be filled out. The package should look ordinary with absolutely no company logo, whatsoever, which could arrouse suspicion.
I, once, ordered a high-powered wrist rocket from Nebraska, several years ago, because only the casrtrated versions are legally available, in Germany. More powerfull versions are available, in France. But, the version produced for the American market is the best you can get. The company, of course, printed their logo and it was intercepted as a commercial item subject to tarif. I had it sent in my girlfriend's name (it ticked her off) to lead the customs to think that the item was to be female oriented. I didn't feel like taking the rap either, in case customs felt like screwing someone down about it The package was opened. But, luckily, the person inspecting didn't know what it was.
Before experimenting with an item which costs several hundred dollars, order something inexpensive from the manufacturer. For example, a spare clip, which you might need anyway, and make it clear that you wish to have it sent as mentioned above. If they are obedient and you receive the item, without the package being tampered with, chances are, the more expensive item will get through, also.
I would, in an case, avoid buying used items, through mail order, for the simple reason that dogs are trained to detect residue left from consumed propulsion fuel

 

[cambeul41]

Chisel Head --

Thank you for the comments and suggestion. I had in fact been thinking about a factory visit, direct puchase, and shipping from there -- perhaps duty free. I can always dream.

 

[Bohemus]

Little update and exhumation:
EFMJ become forbidden for handguns, but you can still buy and carry them in long firearms...

 

[kurtmax]

Take a look at the "sporting use" definition for pistols. I imagine that the barrel is too short and/or the caliber is too small.

Also, have some aspirin at the ready. US firearms import laws are egregiously nonsensical.

Yep. Glocks in .380 aren't imported into the US either. Even my Glock 19 has to have cheapo plastic 'target shooting' sights when imported, and were replaced with real sights in GA.