Daggers, Boot Knives & SD Folders

[hso]

G-10 rapidly eats fabric if it's not surface finished. Think, nearly as fast as abrasive paper. Even when surface finished it eats fabric, just not as quickly. OTOH a little bit of super glue, nail polish or other similar material on the G-10 right where the clip meets the composite helps prevent that.

Seriously? Does anyone who carries big beefy knives trimmed in G10 have hands that are that girly?

Yes

Where are these people?

One's in Eastern TN

Psst...John...let's steal their knives!

John's already been here, but you're welcome to pay me a visit.

 

[conw]

Point taken on the fabric. However, if I pay you a visit to get your knives I'd vastly prefer to do so in a non-thieving way, considering that of all the people in Eastern TN I potentially don't want to cross, you are close to the top of the list. And I don't really feel like making a thread in S&T asking whether someone in Eastern TN would hypothetically be justified in shooting a knife thief

Barring that I think your knives are all too expensive for me, so what say you to this: I take back the whole "girly" statement, and we do coffee?

 

[AStone]

^ laughs

 

[hso]

I take back the whole "girly" statement, and we do coffee?

How 'bout you visit for a beer or whiskey and we'll go through the collection and play with some wood and rubber practice knives? Should burn up a weekend.

 

[conw]

Dude, I'm all for it! I have to hash out the specifics with you in the coming week or two because of some neat opportunities I am adjusting to, business-venture-wise, but I will be in touch. Actually I can keep track better if you don't mind just sending me an email, my user name at gmail. And if we can time it so john and/or other THR members are around, that'd be awesome too. I would love to meet the crew.

Thanks.

 

[AStone]

Seems we've got a bit of community going here. This thread is starting to take on a "club" feel.
(Yes, I know some of you don't like "clubs", but work with me here.)

Too bad we can't rename the thread, "Daggers, boot knives & SD folders"
to reflect more completely what we're discussing in here.

Oh, wait, with all the mods and admins around,
I'll bet someone could do that.

As OP, you have my permission and encouragement.

Nem

 

[shockwave]

This is just pedantry on my part really, but can anyone show me tests demonstrating where a well-executed liner lock failed?

I only have two knives that have liner locks, one is the S&W karambit that I got as a training tool (I'll replace it with an Emerson if I decide a karambit is worth carrying), and the CS Ti-Lite. The S&W liner lock is the classic type, where the entire inner metal liner of the knife swings over and locks the blade. The advantage to this style is that the knife can be opened and closed with one hand. I'm unclear as to the weaknesses. Liner locks have been in use since the 19th century - if this is a bad design, you'd think they would have retired it.

For sure, there are other, stronger locking systems, like the ball lock used in the Manix, but the usual forces on a single-edged knife are going to come from the blade direction. I've never experienced a knife lock failure. The Ti-Lite has a different kind of lock, which you can see here:



The testing videos you can youtube of this knife show people hanging around 200 lbs of swinging weight on the back of the blade and this lock holds up fine to that. I'd trust this lock with my fingers - in fact, it's a bit of effort to unlock it. With automatics and other one-handed openers, the usual concern I have is with the hinge and how the blade is mounted to the handle, not the locking mechanism.

 

[The Highlander]

Just realized there was a sprint run of the manix 2 with peel-ply cf scales and an S90v blade. I gotta find me one of those. As far as materials go that's pretty top of the line. (You may find sharpening S90 a bit difficult depending on your skill level)

As for G-10 eating up pants, I've found a few of my spydercos with milder texturing are actually quite gentle on my pants. (or at least gentler than my volcano frn handles) I'm sure pocket clip tension plays a big role in the wear and tear too. And I forget if it's been mentioned already (either by myself or someone else) but if you do end up with a spyderco, two trimmed zipties in the spyder hole make for an excellent bootleg wave opener.

 

[AStone]

Well, I handled a Manix 2 tonight.

First tried out a SOG Aegis & Trident.
Didn't much like either for several reasons.

Then, the M2.

Love at first sight/touch.

Handled it for about 5 min.

I'm sold.

I'll own one soon as I can.

(Meaning, once cash flow improves just a bit more ...)

 

[JShirley]

Yeah, it's a good knife. I'm liking mine just fine. And unlike my former Chinook, I can actually reasonably fit it in a pocket!

 

[AStone]

John, I'm guessing the Manix2 fits your pocket better than the Chinook (3?)
because of the shape difference than the length. I see the former is only 1/4" shorter, but narrower.

[Side note: it's interesting that the names are Chinook_3 but Manix2, with no space.
The latter is not search-able on Spyderco site as "Manix 2".]

Do you like the positive purchase on the Manix2 grip as well, or better?

I'm still trying to educate myself about blade shapes as well,
trying to sort out why some would prefer the Chinook over the Manix2, or vice versa.

Just taking a stab at it (pun intended ),
I'd guess the Chinook might be better for slashing.

If anyone wants to help edumacate me on that, I'm reading.

 

[JShirley]

The Chinook, IMO, is "better", for defense, but not so much better that its much larger perceived bulk in the pocket can be offset. The Chinook, despite its minimal difference on paper, feels like a much larger knife in the hand. The handle shape has much to do with this. Glance at the pommel end on each, and you'll see what I mean.

The Manix 2 is a good, hand-filling size, but still small enough to be able to be carried on a regular or daily basis. The Chinook is an awesome knife, but I couldn't reasonably carry it without feeling like I had a brick in my pocket.

 

[atomd]

I had the original Manix and I have nothing but good things to say about it. Great knife. I regret trading it. The manix2 is quite a bit different...I like the original better myself.

 

[Readyrod]

Well folks thanks to this thread I got me a Kershaw boot knife. (from AG Edwards, great guys) I just got it tonight. It looks great and feels good.
I'm happy.
Not AG Edwards, AG Russel

 

[pmeisel]

AG Edwards

???? You mean AG Russell, right?

 

[Readyrod]

ooops. Yes AG Russel. Chalk that one up to the kids distracting me.

 

[hso]

Plenty of sharp pointy things, including daggers, at the gunshow in Kvile today from $20 to $2,000.

 

[AStone]

^ I have trouble envisioning a sharp pointy thing worth $2K
outside something with gold inlay that a pharaoh or king owned.

What were those?

 

[Maverick223]

I too am considering a fixed blade knife for a BUK (back up knife), but I am most concerned about the NC laws concerning the matter. I have read the entire thread (okay I may have skimmed over parts) and noticed that daggers are illegal in my state (according to Lee, who lives here, as well as looking at statutes online). What exactly constitutes a dagger, dirk, et cetera? I understand that a double edged blade would be illegal, and that a 5"+ blade could not be concealed, but what about a sub-5" fixed blade knife...could it legally be concealed per NC law? They make the law about as clear as mud...at least it is for myself. I'd be most gracious to anyone that could shed a bit of light on the matter.

I currently carry a Benchmade 943 or occasionally a Hen & Rooster stiletto (mostly the 943 for the added utility of the blade shape and partial serrations) but would like something that is a bit more stealthy and quick. I am thinking that it will end up riding IWB, but am open to any pertinent and legal suggestions for both carry style and blade. Budget is limited, but I am willing to spend about $100.00 if necessary. Blade material isn't an important factor, but SS is preferred.

 

[AStone]

^ Oh, man, I love new challenges in a thread like this,
especially from those hosting cool rimfire matches.

Looking forward to learning some stuff about this blade length question
even if similar questions by me would apply to different states,
one northwestern, one northeastern.

Meanwhile, I'm about to have a cash flow increase this week.
Oh, happy day. I can begin to feel that Manix2 in my hand ...

 

[TimboKhan]

Why is the "grippy" a tool and not a weapon. What is it lacking to be a weapon?

Let me toss in my two cents on this question based entirely on the differences between my Griptilian and my Endura, and why those differences lead me to entirely agree with Hso on this point.

First, let me provide pictures of these two knives.

Griptilian 550

Spyderco Endura

I specifically like the Griptilian as a tool because of that blade style, which they refer to as a "modified sheepsfoot". In daily use, I find it quite handy, and I like it so much I bought a used mini-griptilian with that same blade shape off of the EDC forum. It's beefy, extraordinarily useful as a work knife, and I flat out love the AXIS lock.

On the other hand, look at the Endura. Let me use a technical term here: It's pointier. Still useful, but clearly it has the advantage over the Griptilian in terms of, you know, poking stuff.

If I had to get into a knife fight, and I was choosing either of these knives, I should think that 100% of the time I am choosing the Endura, simply because I can more easily penetrate with it. In terms of simple slashing, I would guess either would work, but I am still choosing the Endura. The other factor is that if I am going to knife-fight someone, I simply have more faith in the tried-and-true lockback than I do with the AXIS. This might be a completely unreasonable thing to say, but there it is.

Now, with that being said, I would not classify the Endura as just a weapon anymore than I would classify the Griptilian as just a tool. Certainly, bodily harm could be done by either just as easily as work could. I like them both, and I carry them both.

On a purely personal level, if I had to give up every single one of my knives except for one, I would keep the Endura. I own and will continue to acquire a variety of knives, but when it boils down to it, for my money the Endura is pretty much the cream of the crop. They are my Buck 110's, man. When I finally morph into a cantankerous old curmudgeon, I will be waving my Endura at those pesky kids with their ion-powered folding pocket katanas and will preach at them loudly and longly about how my 40 year old Endura pwns their faces.

 

[Maverick223]

Thanks for the plug, Nematocyst, but don't be callin' me northeastern, us Carolina boys (some call us Tarheels) might start takin' offence to talk like that.

 

[AStone]

^ Nix, nix, Mav. Not calling you northeastern.
It's me that's heading to the northeast.
That's why I said my similar questions
would apply to different states.

 

[AStone]

Let me use a technical term here: It's pointier. Still useful, but clearly it has the advantage over the Griptilian in terms of, you know, poking stuff.

....

I will be waving my Endura at those pesky kids with their ion-powered folding pocket katanas and will preach at them loudly and longly about how my 40 year old Endura pwns their faces.

Nice post, Timbo. Worthy of a Saturday night in a thread about sharp, pointy things.

 

[Maverick223]

It's me that's heading to the northeast.
That's why I said my similar questions
would apply to different states.

You know what they say about jumping to conclusions?