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Dan Wesson called me today

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by HOME DEPOT GEORGE, Jul 28, 2008.

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  1. HOME DEPOT GEORGE

    HOME DEPOT GEORGE Member

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    The nice lady from Dan Wesson called me today about my 357 supermag today ,I sent it in a few weeks ago because of the cylinder being loose and off a bit. She told me they are replacing the endspace shims and the gunsmith went over everything else and all is well. All the repairs are going to run 140 dollars and that includes a new dan wesson pistol case since I had to ship it in wrapped in bubble wrap and a cardboard shipper. Just an FYI anyone who needs any parts for the old revolvers can still get them, she told me that even though they stopped revolver production for now they still have or can make parts for the old 357's and 44 mags like barrels locking nuts barrel tools and shrouds. They did take 5 weeks to get me a quote on the repairs but thats no big deal, besides no one in their right mind is going to hunt hogs in Florida in the middle of july.:D:D:D
     
  2. Seafarer12

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    I would love to have a DW Supermag.
     
  3. BlkHawk73

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    Shop here has a 2 bbl 357 Supermag. Looked at it (love the .357 max) but it's just to darn big and clumpy for my tastes. have heard very good things about their accuracy though.
     
  4. Hawk

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    <sniff>

    Yup, they're dead. The CZ website should be updated to show DW 1911s and the discontinuation of new product as far as revolvers are concerned. It's easier to find Ruger Gold Labels than DW new production revolvers.

    Folks like me, that don't want to make a career out of memorizing the names of small towns, don't know a Palmer from a Norwich from a whatever. The various incarnations are easily discovered. What's difficult, bordering on impossible, is getting a straight answer on which ones were angelic vs. which ones blew chunks. Hence, only the most educated or foolhardy will risk an internet purchase where the product can't be checked.

    But surely CZ / DW's decision is sound. I mean, we are facing a dire shortage of 1911 clones are we not?
     
  5. HOME DEPOT GEORGE

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    From what I've been able to find from a lot of searching is the Monson Massachusetts made guns were the very best especially the early and middle serial#'s , some of the later Monson revolvers were actually frames that were already stamped actually assembled much later at the Palmer Mass factory and weren't fitted with the same care but were still decent. The # on my supermag is really low(168*) so far I haven't seen any lower. If I'm wrong on this someone please correct me since it is very hard to find any info at all on DW. DSCN0924.jpg DSCN0920.jpg
     
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    Nice pistol. That would be a great hunting rig.
     
  7. madcratebuilder

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    Good to know I can get parts if needed. Mine is still tight, a bit of cutting on the top strap. #54XX. A tack driver.
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  8. jbbaldwin

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    I've only got to shoot my 445 SuperMag a few times but it's an awsome gun. I also have a 744 with 4", 6", 8" and 10" barrels, 2 15-2's with 2", 4", and 6" barrels, a 738 snubby and a 722 with 6" and 8" barrels.

    Cools guns... Here is a picture of my SuperMag...

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  9. HOME DEPOT GEORGE

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    If anyone needs ammo I found 180grain sjhp for 41 dollars per 50 rounds at ammobank.com. The brand is PCI and the price seems good for an obscure cartridge. I already have my eye on a blackhawk 357 max at a local shop for 525 and hopefully they will take 450 since it's been there for a while.
     
  10. El Hombre

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    Well at least mine is a 357. :neener:

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    And mine is a 22. Even cheaper too shoot.

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  13. Waldo Pepper

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    I have a barrel and cylinder assembly on order for 22lr conversion, these cylinders are not as easy to change as my S&W K22 Mod 48 22 mag with lr cylinder is to change. But it is only about a 5 minute simple swap out, so no big deal just make sure you don't lose one of the 3 small parts. The spring and rod for ejector and the retainer clip that is not a real clip but just half a ring. :eek:
     
  14. El Hombre

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    You are aware that the 357 and 22lr barrels are threaded differently so they won't interchange on frames. That is to prevent someone frome putting the wrong caliber barrel on an incorrect frame.
     
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    I love the fact that they still make parts for revolvers that haven't been in production for years,to me thats a sign that they care about their customers.
     
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    If he calls you again, tell him he owes me $20.
     
  17. Waldo Pepper

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    Well I have asked them twice about it and what I was doing and the lady said no problem, except the cylinder had to go through a FFL because too many people would loose the small parts when making the change as the side plate has to come off and this exposes the whole of the internals to fall out, so they are doing this to have gunsmiths hopefully do the work.

    And I read a post about 3 months ago on one of the forums, most likely either S&W, Glock Talk or here where a guy had done it with his 357 and was selling his 357 cylinder and barrel. He said his mistake had been ordering the barrel and shroud when all he needed was the barrel.

    Also before I ordered I again asked if I could only order a barrel w/o the shroud and what I wanted to do and the lady said no problem since they are all the same, as long as I stay with the same barrel length from caliber to caliber.

    However I will recheck today and ask specifically if there is any difference in threading of the barrels and post back here the answer.

    Now for the big question, do you speak from first hand experience or just what someone told you some friend told them?
     
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    Now for the big question, do you speak from first hand experience or just what someone told you some friend told them?

    Waldo Pepper,

    While I have not tried to specifically interchange a 22lr & a 357 mag, I do know that the barrels for 41mag, 44mag & 45LC are all threaded differently to prevent incorrectly mixing calibers. I assume that carries across the entire line. I guess I could check tonight. I don't have to rely on a "friend" telling me anything. I have collected Dan Wesson Revolvers for the last 22 years, and currently own over 20.

    I am confused by the comment "except the cylinder had to go through a FFL because too many people would loose the small parts when making the change as the side plate has to come off and this exposes the whole of the internals to fall out, so they are doing this to have gunsmiths hopefully do the work." as I have removed cylinders from DW revolvers before and never had to remove the side plate. Just unscrew the ejector rod. Are they saying you require a new crane also? Interesting.
     
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    Just a note:
    The information about the shrouds being the same is correct. (other than caliber markings)
    All small frame shrouds will interchange. (22, 22mag, 38special, 357mag, 32H&R, 32-20)
    All large frame shrouds will interchange.(360 DW, 41mag, 44mag, 45LC, 460Rowland)
    All Supermag frame shrouds will interchange.(357, 44, 41, 375)

    Supermag shrouds can be used on large frame revolvers, but large frame shrouds CANNOT be used on Supermag frames. (Ejector rod slot is too short.)

    Small frame barrel nuts are interchangable on all small frame guns.

    Large frame/Supermag frame barrel nuts all interchange.
     
  20. Waldo Pepper

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    The FFL was their statement not mine and had me wondering for some time and I did put off the buying until this week.

    The reason for the cylinder with crane is that is the only way it comes so the lady in the revolver dept told me.

    Since you have so many, maybe you could do a check on the 357 magnum and 22lr for us.
     
  21. Waldo Pepper

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    Just talked to lady at DW again and she said that the 357 to 22 is a common conversion and they sell the barrels & cylinders for this conversion on a regular basis and have had no problems other then the occasional lost part. I will assume that since they sell the cylinder as an assembly the problem comes from the inexperienced losing parts when replacing the complete assembly.

    When I asked her about the 41, 44 & 45 barrels threaded different she said it was done that way because most people could not see difference in the 3 sixes and this was done for the prevention of mixed barrels. Then see stated that besides the big difference in bores of the 22 and 357 they 22 is also noticeable heavier because it made from same piece of stock. Makes sense to me, how about you?

    She did however put me through to gunsmith section where I could leave a message and they will call back after 2 PM EST with the answer. So I am waiting for that also, before I cancel my order.
     
  22. El Hombre

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    Just so you don't think I'm making this up: (My wife accuses me of that sometimes!)

    From the old archived Dan Wesson Website:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20010826091600/http://www.danwessonfirearms.com/FAQs.htm

    INTERCHANGEABILITY

    Cylinder/caliber interchange?
    We don't sell cylinders, crane assemblies or extractor assemblies and only allow replacement of these components and assemblies to be performed at our factory service department.
    The reason for this is that each double action cylinder is different and a number of parts and assemblies have to be fitted specifically to each individual cylinder and frame to ensure that the chamber in battery position ranges with the barrel. For this same reason cylinders cannot be interchanged on a double action revolver allowing caliber changes. Beyond that, we thread the frame end of barrels of each caliber differently to prevent putting a barrel of one caliber on a frame with a cylinder of a different, especially a larger, caliber--basically, we want to keep our owners and shooters around! We also do not change the cartridge capability of our revolvers, as this would negate the accuracy of BATF records regarding your revolver, and we certainly wouldn't want to upset the folks at BATF, now, would we?

    Sounds like they have had a change of policy. Sounds good to me. I never have liked the "restricted" status some manufactures put on parts.

    I am curious if they are selling these as "conversion kits" meaning that they are threading the 22LR barrel to the 357mag specs, or if the 22 & 357 barrels have been threaded the same all along. I will check tonight & report my findings for informational value, anyway it sounds like you will be getting what you wanted, which is great. My purpose in posting was just so you wouldn't spend a couple hundred dollars on parts you couldn't use. Sounds like that's not the case and that's a good thing.

    An expensive lesson from a while back:
    After much searching I purchased a stainless DW 41mag from a seller on an online auction. I paid a premium for it, as the 41mags had seemed to dry up and were hard to find. A new baby & job changes forced that revolver to sit in the safe for almost a year before I had the chance to shoot it. Upon firing, all six cases split down the side. Accuracy was poor. Come to find out I had actually been sold a 44magnum with a 41mag shroud. (Before you flame, remember that a 44 mag is actually a .429 - not much difference).
    44 mag barrels threaded right in, 41 mag did not. Too much time had passed to go back on the selleing dealer, who may not have known either if he never fired the gun.
    So, in addition to paying a premium for the gun, I had to buy another proper barrel shroud before I could sell the gun. (I already had 2 44 mag pistol pacs, so I had no interest in keeping it.)So, be careful what you buy!
     
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    I'm glad to see this info since I may be sending mine in to get a tune-up when I buy a new carry gun.
     
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    I've often wondered about a 44 spl cylinder that I could pop into and out of my model 44 so that I don't mung up the magnum chambers when I shoot 44 spl. Is this feasible or not? Would the barrel/shroud threads have to be extended to reach a shorter cylinder?
     
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    Just got a call from DW gunsmith and he said basically same as you all barrels are threaded different and that also the firing pin would not impact a case properly if rim fire cylinder were used. I had not thought abut that until I was talking with a friend about the gun a few minutes ago while having the tires rotated and balanced.

    So anyway I called my friend at the "gun, pawn, porn and cars loans shop" and had him cancel the order and he said he had not ordered it yet because he had been too busy.

    Well I guess all is well that ends well.

    Got an extra 22lr DW you don't need there my friend? ;)
     
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