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Dangerous Job -- Security Guard !!!

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  1. David

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    I did not realize how dangerous a job it is being a security guard.

    According to this story, slightly more security guards died in the line of duty in 2002 than LEOs!

    In Florida, this year alone, 5 security guards have been murdered, according to this article.

    I used to laugh about the so-called Mall Ninjas, but may be they have the right idea!

    I think this story is a good "heads up" for all those people working in private security.

    For those of you who work as security guards and LEOs, let's be careful out there!

    Here is the story's link:

    from: ap.org

    Security guard death at Tampa mall is Florida's fifth this year

    Saturday, September 20, 2003

    By VICKIE CHACHERE, Associated Press

    TAMPA — A man was arrested on a first-degree murder charge Friday in the death of a mall security officer who was caught in the door of a stolen getaway car that then crashed.

    The death of University Mall security guard John Tauer is at least the fifth of a private security officer in Florida this year. Those in the profession say it is becoming an increasingly dangerous job.

    Tauer, 39, was killed Thursday evening when he tried to stop two men suspected of shoplifting at a J.C. Penney store at the north Tampa mall. Tauer, who was also a volunteer sheriff's deputy, chased the men into the parking lot and reached into the open driver's door to grab one.

    The stolen Lexus traveled about 250 yards and crashed into a pine tree at about 65 mph. Tauer died less than three hours later at Tampa General Hospital.

    "It's a sad day for all of us," said Hillsborough County Sheriff's Maj. Gary Terry.

    Jontue Davis, 20, was arrested and jailed without bail on felony murder, robbery and grand theft auto charges. Steven Sinadinos, 15, was being held in juvenile detention on a grand theft charge.

    Tauer will be given a full law enforcement funeral Tuesday in Tampa and will be buried in Ohio. Sheriff Cal Henderson has ordered flags be flown at half-mast that day; deputies will wear black bands on their badges.

    Tauer, a former deputy in Palm Beach County and in Oklahoma, is survived by his wife, an emergency room physician. He had been a reserve deputy since March, but was working as a private security guard Thursday.

    Sheriff's officials said he had volunteered as a reserve deputy in hopes of being hired on full-time.

    "He was a wonderful, caring individual," said James Barth, a fellow reserve deputy. "He was the perfect kind of person you would want in law enforcement."

    Tim Lyons, spokesman for J.C. Penney, said Tauer had worked at the University Mall store for about six months and at other Penney's stores for about three years.

    He said he could not comment further on the death because of the pending investigation. He said there are guidelines about pursuing shoplifters, but "the associate has to make judgment calls about how to respond."

    "Obviously, we are extremely sad and very much shocked by the death of one of our associates," he said.

    Davis has been arrested seven times in the past year, mostly on misdemeanor drug and theft charges, sheriff's records show. He was free on a $2,000 bond for an April auto theft arrest. The name of an attorney representing him was not immediately available.

    Tauer's death comes in a year in which at least four other security officers have been killed in Florida, including a similar case in May that killed officer Keith Poore in Merritt Island.

    Luchreasy Shawanda Reese, 21, and Denise Anderson, 16, both of Titusville, are each charged with first-degree murder in the death of Poore, who was struck and dragged by a fleeing car. Authorities said Reese and Anderson were trying to steal a swimsuit.

    Less than a month ago in Davie, tobacco store security officer Curtis Leonard was shot to death by an assailant who, police believe, had robbed the establishment.

    In April, Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Philip Billings was shot to death while working a security detail at a Pompano Beach automobile dealership. Two men suspected in his killing were found dead four days later in what detectives said was a murder-suicide.

    In January, five men wearing black ski masks shot and killed Luis Brito, 56, as they robbed the Mayors jewelry store in the Village of Merrick Park, one of South Florida's ritziest malls. Five men were arrested within weeks and are facing first-degree murder and armed robbery charges.

    According to statistics released this week by the U.S. Department of Labor, slightly more security guards were slain on the job in 2002 than police officers. Nationwide, there were 46 security officers killed, compared to 41 police officers.

    Last year in Florida, eight security officers died on the job. Three were homicide victims and the others were killed in accidents, according to state statistics. That's compared with seven law enforcement officers killed on the job.

    K.C. Poulin, the founder of the Clearwater-based security company Critical Intervention Services, said most people don't realize what a dangerous job private security officers have.

    "Security officers are on the front lines," he said. "The are the first responders in whatever environment they face. They end up putting themselves in harm's way."

    Those dangers are present even though Florida has the highest training standards for security officer in the nation, requiring 40 hours of training and strict certification standards, Poulin said.

    Florida Sen. Victor Crist has six times tried to increase the penalties for assaulting state-certified security officers from a misdemeanor to a felony. Crist said Friday he intends to refile the legislation because of Tauer's death.

    Crist, R-Tampa, said he hopes the increased penalties would deter would-be assailants at a time when private security officers are playing a more important role in a security-conscious nation.

    "These are individuals who are providing a service to their employer and the people the employer serves," Crist said. "They have families, they have wives and husbands and children. They are loved by their friends and they deserve protection too."

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  2. DMK

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    Yea, you don't really think about it being all that dangerous.

    Part of the problem is probably limited resources. Mostly, they don't have good equipment(if any), poor training and nobody to back them up.

    They don't get the respect that Police get either. Somebody who would might not resist arrest from a Police officer might assault a security guard.
     
  3. Stevie-Ray

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    Now THIS job would be dangerous.
     
  4. Standing Wolf

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    Murder over a swimming suit? I'll chip a dollar into the rope fund.
     
  5. son of a gun

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    Those security guards are only paid like $8.00 an hour, Gary Coleman's a security guard and he jumped on the hood of a car to stop some wrong doer and it was all caught on tape.

    I just love the back stop at that Chinese shooting range.[​IMG]
     
  6. Ala Dan

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    Greeting's All-

    David, thanks for the tip on the security guard industry !
    It can (and has) been a deadly scene, in some instances. For
    some reason, I can't understand someone working in the
    security business on an unarmed post; such as around
    hospitals, car lots, hotels, etc. Case in point, I'm very familiar
    with a local hospital that went to contract security (because of
    liability reasons) on 01 SEPT ) 03. What they did, was cut out
    all armed post's except one ! The hospital administrator
    and director of security felt like the need for armed security
    had vanished in this ghetto.

    In case you are not familiar with it, UAB MEDICAL WEST
    is located in Bessemer (Poverty, U.S.A.) Alabama; or 16 miles
    SSW of the big city of Bombingham, AL. My own employment
    was eliminated, cuz of my position on firearms. I refused to
    give an inch, and compromise my safety. Far too many drug
    addict's, mental defect's, or criminal types hang around these
    establishment's looking for something for nothing.

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
  7. jercamp45

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    good pic, stevie ray LMAO!!!!

    Ahh, yes......us rentacop wannabe's(so says some!) can get into some serious stuff. My partner was thoroughly beaten by five guys when he worked for another company...unarmed. His Glock 22 goes everywhere with him now(except to court!).
    I do a series of hotels in downtown Vegas, northend of crackalley, and You better believe I am very armed and very aware! IIIA body armor, radio, .45 auto, four mags, asp, pepperspray, back up knife(a back up pistol to be added to the wardrobe when CCW finally gets here....whaddya mean FOUR MONTHS! I need it tonight!).
    I have had an idiot try and grab my gun, two idiots pull knives(there was distance, so I stared back as if to say, you really think you'll live long enough to stab me with that toad sticker? The knives soon disappeared), was painted by a laser, been yelled at, screamed at, accused of bigotry(you are not arresting me because I am a thief, but because you're racist!), threatened, had crack dealers get into my face(I returned the favor), heard a million denials and BS stories(no, that is a glass straw, boss...not a crackpipe).
    And seen, well, things that are not very pleasant.
    This is a temporary gig for me, an experiential education of being there, doing that. But for those that do it for a life.....whew, they do more that most of us will ever know. When we sleep, some poor schmuck making 8-10 bucks an hour is out there keeping his eyes open when he/she would rather be in bed.
    All said and told, I am a WANNABE!! I wannabe strumming my guitar on a Hawiian beach with Ms Thong USA beside me!! Pass me a beer, dear!
    Life sure is interesting!
    A Schmuck
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  8. David

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    I agree with many of the ideas presented by other THR members.

    In my opinion, all security guards should be:

    1 -- Armed (with proper training and background check)

    2 -- Issued Body Armor

    3 -- Receive in-service training on a regular basis

    I think that if these things are done, security guards will be better prepared to do their dangerous jobs in a safe and professional manner.

    As a side note, if security guards are better trained, perhaps they will earn a better pay as well.

    :D :what: :D
     
  9. Josey

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    Sorry. It sounds like there was a loss of common sense in these SGs. A chase is not worth getting killed over. Stupid. No chase and more would not get hurt. Poor taining, poor tactics and poor decisions.
     
  10. MarkDido

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    I went through the Class "D" Security Officer course a while back for grins. These folks actually have LESS authority than your run of the mill citizen!

    For example, only a security guard working in a retail store may restrain a shoplifter / thief until the LEO's show up. If you're working security anywhere other than retail, you can't even do that!

    Why bother?!
     
  11. dinosaur

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    From what I read he did a very foolish thing. It happens to LEOs too. Reaching into a car is a no no.

    Be that as it may, working security can be very hazardous to your health. If you`re guarding something valuable and the animals want it, they`ll treat as no more than a speed bump. :cuss:
     
  12. Ala Dan

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    When the distinguished security firm of NORRED
    & ASSOCIATES elected not to retain me as part
    of the hospital security team, I laughed. Why? Because
    I have got more experienced in security (20+year LEO
    veteran) than the owner of the company; or most of
    his employees. I attended advanced training seminars
    every year; plus specialized schools for weapons and
    tactic's.

    Just as an example, would you want your female family
    members to enter or exit a facility in a high crime area
    unescorted during the hours of darkness? I certainly
    would think not! Well, it happens all the time at my
    ole job site; U.A.B. Medical West. Some of the
    inexperienced security officer's are just too damn
    scared to stick their own heads out the door; for fear
    that some goon will take a shot at them! I hear that
    NORRED & ASSOCIATES is paying really high wages
    for this dangerous job; yep, $7.00 @ hour. At least
    that is what the s/o with the firearm makes; dunno
    about the unarmed folk's?

    Interested in employment? Visit their website at:
    www.norred.com

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
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  13. Teufelhunden

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    Looks good on paper but it won't happen. Having worked security for the past couple of years, my observations are as follows:

    Most people have security to get the insurance writeoff. They're not interested in having officers who could actually DO something it needed, after all, that's what the police are for, right?

    Companies further save money by only offering minimal wages and taking the lowest bidder when they take bids from different companies. They don't really look at qualifications, but rather how much each man-hour is going to cost them.

    Since a security company has to turn a profit to stay in business, once they take their chunk from the hourly wage, the officer's take comes damn close to minimum wage.

    Once you get wages around minimum wage, you're only going to attract people who got bored flipping burgers who generally make horrific security officers.

    Lastly, once a client gets set-up, they want the highest-speed, lowest-drag officers out there who will stay on post during a fire in the building, conduct bomb searches should there be a bomb threat, and investigate instances of workplace violence--all while unarmed except for a set of keys.

    I've seen all of these things as a supervisor at a 23 officer site; it was a daily fight to convince the client that they got what they paid for, and for $7/hour, you weren't going to get former Navy Seals on post.

    I point-blank told the client no a couple of times. Once, when they asked that one of the two officers on the night-watch walk through the vacant buildings around the property downtown at 2am, without a flashlight (could be used as a weapon) and certainly no dedicated weapons. The other time was when I was instructed that as the supervisor, new policies were about to be put into place that would instruct me to go investigate a shots-fired type of workplace violence incident before we called the cops, again, unarmed, with no body armor.

    Perhaps there is a reason that I am no longer at that site...

    The industry cuts its own throat by allowing prices in a market to drop as low as they do. Training needs to be standardized and maintained, but most companies will still just take any Joe off the street and put him in a uniform and call him an officer. Most places won't realize how pathetic their security force is until something happens and the paper tiger becomes obvious.

    -Teuf
     
  14. jercamp45

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    Looks like each state is different...

    in terms of requirements.....But Teuf is generally correct..
    The Kansas City company I worked for really did not care about qualifications, as long as you qualified with the pistol(that you bought), they gave no training. Matter of fact, I got a jacket, 2 shirts, a badge, and a pair of CHEAP handcufs......I had to buy THEIR trousers, I had to PAY for the Commision and Qualifications card.
    Then they stuck me in a really colorful ghetto grocery store!
    Here in Vegas...you have to comlete 12 hours of classes and qualification. And, if there is food, alcohol or gambling, then you need a Sherrifs Card. Fortunately, I did not not need the Card as my hotels do not have F<D<G. Just illegal things like crack, dealers and cheap prostitutes(ugly too!).
    But...the companies expect alot out of you for little returned....
    Josey....Common sence generally is in short short supply. 7-10 bucks an hour does not get a highly trained person. And, YES, sticking your head in a car does IS dangerous. No one WANTS to get killed over a stolen swimming suit!
    Markdido....don't know what state you are in, but I do have decent powers of arrest...on my property. And I can take down license numbers of car that I witness in Drug deals and pass it on to Metro PD as a private citizen. My hotel was full of drugs when I got here, and I had one of those partners who would intimidate those he could. He left the drug dealers alone, and they had the run of the place.
    He quit, new manager told me to clean it up. It was a slow process and dangerous at times, but it is very quiet when I am on duty now. They wait till I am Off duty to try and incursion on my property. But the idea is catching on and it is 90% cleaner than it was.
    But once I depart.....they'll try to take over again. Right now they have gone to greener pastures like grazing parasites...most of them are all bluster and cowards at heart. Yet they are very dangerous especially in groups.
    It's good thing I speak good Predator!!! And four years as an Assaultman USMC Infantry behind me. And a deep interest in firearms for personal defense. The street folk repect that Presence!
    Jercamp45
     
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    These real-life security horror stories are amazing!

    I hope that companies finally realize that something as important as security should NOT go to the LOWEST BIDDER, but to the BEST QUALIFIED.

    Security should be paid a proper wage as to attract professionals to the job. and they should be issued the quality equipment that they need.

    You would think that in these times of "enhanced" homeland security, things would be better for security guards!

    But I think not!

    :eek: :what: :eek:
     
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    Dream on, David. Sadly, Teufelhunden is right on the money.
     
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    And more Habib Mart employees die in the line of duty than either cops or security guards. Where's the Habib Mart employee memorials? :p
     
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    In most cases, unarmed, training ranging from usually scarce to none, few arrest or detention powers in most cases, working for employers that do not appreciate their full potential.

    Yet, being required to stand their post regardless of weather, encountering the very dregs of society on a constant basis, and being expected to confront violent, frequently armed maggots who are doing their level best to hurt or kill them.

    I personally jump all over ANYONE who refers to these individuals as rent-a-cops.

    They are Security Officers. And, most of them may not have firearms, but they do have balls--BIG balls--brass ones a mile wide.

    My hat's off to them. I consider them brothers in uniform, and will go to the wall for ANY Security Officer. To all of you in the profession--my thanks to you for being, in many cases, the first and ONLY responders. Stay safe, and go home at the end of your shift.
     
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    How about another horror story....

    My partner was off duty on our property and saw a domestic dispute in the hotel. We are, in theory, on duty 24/7, so he went to check it out. A 14 year old girl who had nothing to do with the domestic situation butted her noisy little a## into the matter, distracting him from what could be come a very dangerous situation.
    The girl, whose parents were/are parasites that had not paid rent in over a month-milking the system until they were forcefully evicted, would not respond to verbal commands to leave. She got between my partner and the disputing couple, he pushed her aside, for her safety and his.
    They filed Battery charges against him. We just went to Court today for it, he was basically forced to plead No Contest, take a heavy hit on fines to reduce the Misdemeanor, or go to Court and have a permenant blot on his record. The Judge did not care if he was On The Job, The Judge did not care if he follwed the rules set forth for security officer's in the state of Nevada. His hands touched a minor, and that is Battery!!!
    Our employer will not assist in fines, saying he was Off duty...even though in our contract it says we are on call 24/7.
    It is gonna cost him over 400 bucks and a 8 hour class.
    Go Figure!!
    Jercamp45
     
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    That security guard's story just goes to prove the theory that no good deed goes unpunished!

    :uhoh: :what: :scrutiny:
     
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    Many have already stated it better than I can, but I will say that working in security often times is as bad or worse than described. I've only been doing it for about 10 years, but I saw early on how bad it can be.
     
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    A subject near and dear to my heart and I can only agree with what the devil dog said. Right now, my company is losing customers left and right to a company that hires only retirees and outfits them horribly. I actually saw one that didn't even have a pistol on citing that it was too heavy to tote around all day. And he was moving big money!

    No safe/vault on their premises, no benefits, no training, nothing but very little overhead and a bid that cuts ours in half. It's a miracle that more of these people aren't killed.

    Personally, I believe that 90% of the battle isn't in training from the company but in recognizing your own deficiencies and being willing to improve where you need to. I cannot count the number of times that I've heard one of our guys say that they didn't need to train with their pistols because we have never been in a situation where it would help.

    Most people are imbeciles and I have little respect for security officers as a whole. I don't like to make blanket statements, but I've seen enough of them to know that they are basically an ignorant lot. Most are old fogies gambling on the chance that they won't be confronted and can continue to draw that paycheck. The others are ignorant wannabes that didn't have a chance to be a cop or military man and think this is somehow just as good; it's funny how that badge and gun can affect the mind.

    And just to illustrate what I'm talking about: my company used to have a policy where your wage was frozen at $9.50 until you got your Commercial Driver's License, class B. The company would provide you with all the training and pay for all the testing. All you had to do was ask for the training and you could climb the payscale as you earned seniority.

    Wouldn't you know it, most of the people refused to go through the course. I came into the company with a CDL-A and shot past folks that have been working here for years and years. They were just content to make a fraction of what they could make because it was the easiest thing to do. Unfortunately, the company ended that policy and you saw a lot of asses get major pay increases (as much as $2.25/hr). Now we'll never get rid of them!:fire:

    Then you have the One-Percenters that make the industry look good. I don't know why some people do this line of work and invest so much of their time and money into training/shooting. Some might infer that there is some kind of power trip going on in their heads. Some might think that they are genuinely interested in helping folks. I don't know what it is, but I do get a kick out of the work. Maybe it's just an excuse to buy guns, shoot matches, pump iron and take training classes right beside hard-chargers.

    Rough as it can be at times, it's the best work I've ever had and I think I'll stick around for awhile longer.:cool:
     
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    Stevie-Ray

    Re: jobsucks.

    His First Sgt didn't like him.
     
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    Part Time Textile Mill Security Guard here. ($6 hr):eek: I carry my KT P32 daily. ;)
    Yes, Alot of people laugh and poke fun at us. But Its our job for their and their propertys "Security". About a month ago there was an Incident, involving a female guard and a black male and black female. The Male put a revolver to the females chin and demanded her purse and there our Female security officer was unarmed and didnt know what to do. BG was long gone before the cops arrived. Also the security video sucks too.

    God Bless these fallen S/Os.

    ps, Nope Im not allowed to carry at work. But I do for my safety.
     
  25. Ala Dan

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    Nationally reknowned Wackenhut Corporation is perhaps
    the best security company of the lot, at least here in the
    Birmingham, AL area. Armed Custom Protection Officer's
    can earn as much as $10.60 an hour; dependent on the
    client and their location. Wackenhut offer's a competitive
    salary, better benefit's package, nicer looking uniforms,
    and upscale training; complete with weapons qualification.

    Some of their prestigous client's include, but are not limited
    to: The Mercedes-Benz "M" class factory located in Vance, AL
    also Druid City Hospital in Tuscaloosa, AL and The Greystone
    gated community located in northern Shelby County, AL. Also,
    several banks and shopping malls employ the services of the
    Wackenhut Corp.

    Early on in Wackenhut security training, recruits are taught
    that the duty of a good security officer is, "To observe and
    report. Nothing else! Don't try to be a hero by greasing
    a perp by yourself. In closing just fuel for thought; after my
    extensive law enforcement career, I attended a Wackenhut
    40 (classroom hour) training class and a weapons qualification
    class. I was highly impressed, and would rate their certification
    as an A.

    The only reason I did not add a +, is because they need
    to upgrade their duty weapons from Taurus model 82 .38's
    to Smith & Wesson bull barrel model 10's in .38 Special; or
    some form of a quality semi-auto. FWIW, if I ever did
    have a notion to return to contract security work; well, this
    is the firm as to where I would seek employment.

    Respectfully,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
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