DAWN OF THE DEAD--SPOILERS!!!

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If anyone is still wondering, zombies don't eat other zombies or dead humans because zombies don't eat necrotic flesh. They will pass up carion in favour of live prey every single time. A zombie might theoretically eat another, very fresh zombie, but it's highly unlikely.
 
Oh yeah Nightcrawler, well I say!

"-When you have your zombie plague basically wipe out the whole world, it kind of defeats the purpose of the characters' struggle for survival, since it's futile anyway. It may be all well and good to go on some artsy tirade about mankind struggling in the face of futility, but there are better venues for such philosophical jibber-jabber than a movie with zombies in it."


Nah, I like it when a movie skips the canned happy ending. Some times things don't work out.




"-Since it was a horror movie, and modern "horror" movies are really just "gross" movies (especially in this genre), one went expecting to see blood and gore for its own sake. However, the trend in the movie seemed to be "Let's have horrilble things happen to women and children. It's more shocking that way!" The woman being cut in half with the chainsaw. The zombie baby. The zombie little girl. The zombie boyfriend running off and attacking the girl, after he can't catch the heroine's car. The woman in the back of the transit bus being mauled alive by two zombies. It's just me, I know, some weird by-product of my subconscious, but I really, REALLY don't like seeing violence against women, especially to such a gory degree. I'm sure most people are much less bothered by such a thing (in a movie, at least) than I am, though.""

You really better skip "the Exorcist."



"-The big plot hole, of course, was how such a virus could spread so rapidly, world-wide, over night. (It'd have to start somewhere, but would likely be contained to that landmass, at least; the virus seemed to "zombify" within minutes, and zombies aren't getting on airliners.) But, if it built up slowly, you'd lose the "apocolyptic" sense that they were sort of shooting for, but I don't think zombie movies are really the best choice for a emotional drama about facing the end of the world as we know it."

This is a movie about animated corpses eating human flesh! That in itself is a big plot hole. Plus, I'm not really sure that it was a virus at all. Who knows?




And why didn't the zombies chase the dog?



Well maybe if the movie was set in Kore....O.K. I'll stop! :D


"In a zombie movie, you expect most of the main characters to die. It's tradition. But typically, the woman and (often) the black guy survive. IN this movie, apparently everybody died. I don't know if having an entire movie where everybody dies at the end is "artistic" or just a cheap trick to try to be scary, but whatever. '

It is neither. It is the end of the story. They can't all end the same. That would be boring.


"People talk about when TSHTF...well, that's about as hitting the fan as the **** can get, folks. And you know what? The tricked out AR-15 and all that ammo isn't going to help much. Eventually, you're going to run out of ammo, or your'e going to have to sleep. And even if you do hole up someplace secluded, so what? The zombie plague was, apparently, world wide, with no means of stopping it. It's the end. You're not going to have any children. You're not going to get married. Everyone you've ever really loved is dead, and trying to eat you nonetheless. Civilization is gone. Humanity is done for. The remainder of your life is just you waiting to die, with nothing in the way of accomplishment to pass the time."


Bah, everything is just waiting to die. Get up and fight soldier!




"In the original Dawn of the Dead, it was stated that the Zombies needed to eat to keep them going. If that's the case, then there is hope; the "zombie virus" would eventually burn itself out, like ebola, simply because there'd be more zombies in most places than people for them to eat. And eventually, the existing zombies will rot away in any case. The trick after that (assuming you survive) is making sure the plague doesn't reoccur."


That was the assumption. but in "Day of the Dead" they showed that the zombies desire to eat, but do not need to.



I say the movie is a hoot. This isn't great art folks, it is a rollercoaster shoot-em-up zombie flick with all the trimmings!



GHB
 
I think it was Nightcrawler who was lamenting that if this really happened, it would be the end of humanity, and no point in trying. That's actually not true at all. People have one HUGE advantage over zombies. We have a fully functioning human brain. We are a LOT smarter than they are (certainly the stupid people will be dead or zombified within the first few weeks, leaving only above average people around to clean up the mess). You could do things like set up traps to kill thousands at a time (just look at the ideas thought of here). Eventually, the people who were left would eradicate them.

The disease is spread only from bites. No more zombies, no more bites. And it seems that this disease is human specific, as are many diseases. Animals cannot contract it, nor spread it.

What was the origin? I suspect it was developed as a weapon of war, and it got out somehow, as in most other zombie movies.
 
You're criticizing the wrong plot holes. How about these?

- Vivian (girl zombie at the beginning) just walks into their house, without breaking in. Seems too contrived IMHO.
- How do the survivors get in the mall at the beginning? Did they bother to barricade that way so zombies couldn't get in?
- How many malls don't have stairs to go from one shopping level to another?
- If zombies can nearly punch through car windows, can't a thousand of them smash in those doors to the mall?
- Andy (gun shop guy) doesn't have some MREs, rations, or jerky on hand?
- Why don't they grab the AKs/ARs and all the ammo they can carry when they finally get to the gun shop?
- Zombies are now fast enough to catch up with buses?

AND the big one...

- How many tropical, volcanic islands are accessible from Wisconsin?
 
RE: Zombie movie endings

There's a lot of tradition involved in a zombie flick. The "canned happy ending" doesn't seem appropriate (though never having been done in a "mainstream" zombie film, it probably suprise, since in a zombie flick you more or less expect everybody to die).

The proper zombie ending is, in my opinion, ambigious. The protaganist (usually the woman) survives, but what's going to become of her after that is unknown. Examples? Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead (original), Resident Evil, etc.

Two reasons for this. One it's slightly more satisfying to the viewer, and two (and this is by far the most important reason): SEQUELS LOL

Can't wait for Resident Evil 2!

Nah, I like it when a movie skips the canned happy ending. Some times things don't work out.

That's what people always say, espeically in my Lit classes where every piece of fiction we read has a depressing ending. I know, I know, a non-bad ending is passe, and you can only be artistic if all of your characters meet a bad end. PUH-LEEZE. You're right, though, sometimes things don't work out. In the REAL WORLD. But, in the REAL WORLD, dead people don't eat living people, so a little bit of artistic license was taken to begin with. :D

I also wondered about the island. There are islands on Lake Michigan. Most of them are pretty far north, though; not a good place to hole up at the end of the world. I mean, it's cold. You don't have any winter clothing you're as good as dead. None of them are volcanic.

I also wondered why they didn't just steal a sailboat, so they wouldn't need gas, but they were being kind of chased by zombies, even at the last minute, so oh well.

You know what I noticed? A lot of the gunshots were all CGI. If you look carefull, the actors seem to be just holding a prop. You can sometimes (I think) see no slide movement, and no ejecting brass when the gun is fired. They've been doing this more and more in movies; it's a lot less expensive than prop guns, and Zombie Movies rarely have a big budget to work with.
 
- How many tropical, volcanic islands are accessible from Wisconsin?



I've got to admit, that one had me scratching my head in the movie? I thought the island looked a little big for some river stream!
 
SHTF lever gun - you gotta love it.

The original had some neat guns IMHO - pump shottie, M16s, revolvers, bolt actions, Tommy guns, a derringer, and I think I even spotted a 1911/BHP-alike gun towards the end there (Blades pulls it out of his jacket to try to shoot Peter).

About the only guns in the remake worth mentioning are Ving's 870 and the Beretta, both of which get huge amounts of screen time.:D
 
-Since it was a horror movie, and modern "horror" movies are really just "gross" movies (especially in this genre), one went expecting to see blood and gore for its own sake. However, the trend in the movie seemed to be "Let's have horrilble things happen to women and children. It's more shocking that way!" The woman being cut in half with the chainsaw. The zombie baby. The zombie little girl. The zombie boyfriend running off and attacking the girl, after he can't catch the heroine's car. The woman in the back of the transit bus being mauled alive by two zombies. It's just me, I know, some weird by-product of my subconscious, but I really, REALLY don't like seeing violence against women, especially to such a gory degree. I'm sure most people are much less bothered by such a thing (in a movie, at least) than I am, though.

Good point and I agree completely. I covered my eyes during the chainsaw incident. :barf: :(

As to your other points: I don't recall them being very specific as to whether it was world-wide or not. Refresh my memory, please?
 
Many of you here are taking this a little too seriously.

Its a movie. Try a little suspension of reality for a change. ;)

Movies are supposed to be an escape from reality.
 
Jovovich is great.
The most valid point of this thread.
A smokeing hot female that is into guns and plays a Tele . What is not to like?
 
Since it's a virus the proper solution is similar to the one in the film "outbreak", quarantine infected areas and firebomb them. Eventually a vaccine will be found and that would be it.

In the mean time issue chain-mesh sharksuits to EVERYONE.
 
If it is a virus.

It seems obvious to me that the problem was supernatural. Nothing imaginable could animate a rotting corpse. As the commercial said, Hell is full, the dead walk the earth.
 
Supernatural zombies are those that crawl out of the ground. Getting infected through a bite suggest a bio/chemical process.

Those zombies aren't dead, looks to me like just their skin is decomposing. Perhaps the virus "trick" bacteria to attack the flesh as if its dead and the immune system stops fighting back. I hear in India holymen used to con villagers into believing they can return from the dead with certain drugs. After they take the drug their heart stops, bodies turn cold, and after a few days start to stink of decay. But eventually this wears off and the holyman would literally rise from the dead.

How do I know the movie zombies are not "dead"? Look what happens when the zombies got hit by the truck. Blood everywhere. RED blood. Deadblood turns black. In fact all zombie blood in the movie stayed fresh. Their red bloodcells are still alive and full of oxygen. For this to happen their respiratory system has to remain functional. Therefore, medically speaking they are alive.


Edited after careful rethought. . .
 
O.K., first of all, we are huge nerds.

With that out of the way...

"Supernatural zombies are those that crawl out of the ground. Getting infected through a bite suggest viral infection.

Those zombies aren't dead, looks to me like just their skin is decomposing. Perhaps the virus "trick" bacteria to attack the flesh as if its dead and the immune system stops fighting back."
How do I know they are not "dead"? Look what happens when the zombies got hit by the truck. Blood everywhere. RED blood. Deadblood turns black. In fact all zombie blood in the movie stayed fresh. Their red bloodcells are still alive and full of oxygen. For this to happen their respiratory system has to remain functional. Therefore, medically speaking they are alive."


Hogwash Dr. Gabe (In German Dr. Frankenstein accent). At the end of the movie a severed head is still trying to attack from a box (on the little boat). These things don't need respiratory systems, or blood. The red blood cells thing is obviously a "red" herring.:neener:
 
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the one who gets the guy in the garage, the one with the Ruger? has NO body from just above the hips down.. I think theres a possiblity that..its a bacteria or somesuch that produces something between oxygen and lactic acid. So in effect..the blood itself was the respiratory system. It could be a FUNGUS AMUNGUS.....or something but I doubt that for the simple fact none of the zombies seemed to be real -fun guys-....get it?
 
Regarding the negative 9mm comments; didn't the guy who got flattened by the ambulance in the first ten minutes have some kind of 1911 variant? Kind of looked that way to me, but it was too fast to really tell.

It was a 1911.
 
I just got back from seeing this movie. I watched the original (1978) on DVD last night. I have to say that this remake is definitely head-and-shoulders above the original. Everything about the remake was better IMO, the camera work, acting, script, action sequencies, weaponry, and special effects. Even the zombies looked better .

There were a few lines from the original movie which made it into the script in the remake and at least one actor from the original, Tom Savini, had a cameo appearence. ( The part of the County Sheriff, in the original he was the leader of the outlaw motorcycle gang)

It moved along at a good pace and held the audiences interest (at least in the theatre I was in. Unlike the earlier version that seemed to drag in places)

If this movie has any weaknesses it is in the character development. I never really cared what happened to the main characters. It never really took the time to tell anything about their lives or backgrounds. I was also disappointed there were no hi-cap semi-auto black rifles shown. As far as it being pro-gun or anti-gun IMO it was neutral- slightly pro-gun. (the reference to Rosey O'Donnel and the fact that firearms were shown as tools of survival tipped it toward the slightly pro-gun side. There was nothing in the script or any overpowering statements about private gun ownership).

One poster wondered why the zombies couldn't just break the glass doors of the mall and get in. I recall a line in the movie where one of the mall security guards mentioned that the glass doors were shatter-proof.

I also wondered why Andy, the gunshop owner, didn't pop zombies all day long. Let's see, 8 hours of good daylight x 1 zombie every 3 minutes (conservative estimate. He was a good shot so I am sure he might have been able to double that rate) would equal what 20 zombies an hour x 8 hours = 160 zombies a day? (320 if we double the rate)

With the amount of ammo in the gunstore (plus all the reloading componets I am sure he had stocked) he could have been shooting a long time.

A fun movie overall. I got as much enjoyment listening and watching the audience reaction as I did the film.

If you like action/SHTF movies, it's definitely worth a look
 
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I just saw it tonight, great movie :D There was one scene in the news footage they were watching that involved a couple M-4/M-16's. It looked like it was on the white house lawn and there were a couple soldiers with them that opened up on some zombies. I think the 870 was the biggest star of the movie though lol.
 
I saw this last week and loved it, and I’m not a horror fan. All my complaints have been discussed. One thing I noticed, that I don’t think has been mentioned, is there was reloading equipment in Andy’s store. I remember seeing a couple of MEC shotgun reloaders, so I assume he had other equipment as well.

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1 thing I was wondering throughout the movie was... how many times does Ving Rhames need to rack that shotgun?! He racked that 870 more than he fired it.

And Andy's gunshop. How would he board up the place from the outside?! Hmm....

Good entertaining movie too. It was perfect, I took a few friends to shoot for their first time. 870 Wingmaster, .357, 9mm and 2 1911 .45 ACP's. Oh and a S&W .22.


Half way in the movie my friend nudges the other friend and says "Hey, that's what Richard took us to go shoot today" :eek: :D
 
BAD ATTITUDES!!!

I'm really getting peeved at some of the attitudes here! Just because YOU haven't seen volcanic islands off the coast of Wisconson doesn't mean that they don't exist, and besides, the island is in the movie, so it obviously exists.

For you naysayers, first let me say that the movie was PERFECT. Absolutely flawless, both logistically and in execution. Any faults that you found in the movie are reflections of YOUR OWN FAULTS.

Now, for the pessimistic attitude of Nightcrawler: you can't just lay down and die! Duh! You'd just get right back up!:rolleyes:

-I think that the virus was sent by hell from Satan himself, into different parts of the world and was helped along by DEVILS on the first night of the plague. This is a perfectly logical explaination for how it spread so fast.

-Paco:evil:
 
Upright walking implies central motor control, which implies a functioning (although hijacked) CNS. The also do a lot of other things like acquiring targets, which requires working eyes, so the brain and nerves are still working. So, the solution is simple. MOPP 4 and LOTS OF VX.

BTW, nukes are NOT inbound. Everybody knows that vaporized zombies make for zombie rain. Bad news.
 
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