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Day Workers Thrust Virginia Town Into Illegal-Immigration Fight

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  1. Desertdog

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    Day Workers Thrust Virginia Town Into Illegal-Immigration Fight
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a8UhgJuWIz6Q&refer=us

    On any weekday morning, as many as 60 Latino immigrants congregate near a 7-Eleven store in Herndon, Virginia, about 30 miles west of Washington. They are waiting for someone to drive up and offer them work for the day.

    Smaller groups of the so-called day laborers gather at a McDonald's, a Shell station and a Mexican grocery. ``It has become somewhat of an eyesore and a bit of a nuisance, and a number of citizens have asked the town to do something about it,'' Herndon Mayor Michael O'Reilly said.

    Herndon's response hasn't exactly doused the controversy: It plans to spend $175,000 to help build a shelter for the day laborers to wait in. The decision has triggered a lawsuit to block the plan and has made Herndon, a town of 22,000 far from the nation's borders, a microcosm of the growing U.S. debate over what to do about illegal immigrants.

    ``We think people are tired of the federal government not enforcing immigration laws, and we're furious that local governments aren't doing anything about it,'' said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a self-described conservative educational foundation, which has sued the town.

    Fitton said his Washington-based group may broaden the suit to include Fairfax County, which has approved $400,000 in funding for shelters in Herndon and two other communities in the county.

    Shelter Advocates

    Supporters say day-laborer sites protect the workers and provide a way for them to find jobs without hanging around private property and blocking traffic. While immigrant advocates concede that many workers may be in the U.S. illegally, they say it's up to employers to check their status.

    ``This is not a public benefit to undocumented workers,'' said Flavia Jimenez, immigration policy analyst at the Washington- based National Council of La Raza, the largest Hispanic advocacy group in the U.S. ``We've seen many benefits to the community as a whole and then to the workers themselves in having a center,'' she said.

    The workers, almost all male, are used mainly by construction companies. Some are hired by individuals for such things as painting and yard work.

    Dozens of other cities have established shelters to deal with the day-labor phenomenon, according to the National Day Laborer Organizing Network in Los Angeles. Jupiter, Florida, last month approved what will be the first government-sponsored day- laborer site in Palm Beach County.

    Herndon Plan

    Under the Herndon plan, approved by a 5-2 council vote in August, the town would contribute its money for a shelter on the parking lot of what is now a temporary police headquarters. A coalition of faith-based groups called Project Hope and Harmony would operate the site. Workers caught soliciting at other locations would be charged with trespassing.

    Providing the funds is legal and allows the town to regulate day laborers without violating their constitutional rights of assembly and free speech, said Mayor O'Reilly, who voted in favor of the shelter.

    U.S. Representative Tom Tancredo, a Colorado Republican, is among those who disagree. The proposed Herndon facility and others like it are ``like a hypocrisy,'' he said in an interview. Cities and states are supposed to help the federal government enforce the law, ``and yet here are these sites, some with illegal immigrants, on public land.''

    Tancredo, who said he may enter the presidential primaries in 2008 to draw attention to the immigration issue, has introduced a bill that would prevent cities with such shelters from getting federal money for homeland security. He said the bill has 204 supporters in Congress.

    Governors' Race

    The local newspaper, the Herndon Times, has been peppered with letters from readers on the matter. The shelter ``has to be established,'' Ruth Tatlock of Herndon wrote in August, or the scattered gatherings will continue, ``the last thing anybody wants.'' Nathan Muller, of nearby Sterling, wrote the same month that the center would subtract $50,000 to $100,000 from the value of nearby homes, citing ``some local Realtors.''

    The issue has surfaced in this year's gubernatorial election in Virginia. The Republican candidate, former Attorney General Jerry Kilgore, said in a statement in August that the Herndon and other proposed centers ``reward illegal behavior.'' Kilgore didn't return calls seeking comment.

    His opponent, Democratic Lieutenant Governor Tim Kaine, said in an interview that Kilgore is politicizing the issue and that it's up to Herndon and other towns to ``figure out what the answer is.''

    `Good Policy'

    The Herndon debate isn't unique. The city council of Hoover, Alabama, a Birmingham suburb, in August terminated a contract allowing faith-based groups to operate a day-laborer site in a municipal building, following complaints that many workers were gathering in front of the center. It opened in 2003.

    Project Hope and Harmony plans to have its Herndon shelter up and running by December. The group's permit allows for as many as 150 people to gather daily. The site also will offer English classes to the workers, said Bill Threlkheld, the group's director.

    ``Project Hope and Harmony feels like we're in the limits of the law and it's good public policy,'' Threlkheld said. ``We already have a day-labor site in Herndon and it's not a very organized site,'' he said, referring to the 7-Eleven.

    While others debate the matter, day laborers such as Alex Rodas, waiting outside the 7-Eleven, say the issue for them is simple. ``We just want one place to find work,'' he said.



    To contact the reporter on this story:
    Courtney Schlisserman in Washington at cschlisserma@bloomberg.net.
     
  2. Standing Wolf

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    Give them free money, and they will show up. Amazing, isn't it?
     
  3. Desertdog

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    Here we have what is commonly called an employment office. Woder why they don't try for a job at the towns employment office. :confused:
    Sounds like a way to solve the problem to me. Also, it should already be in operation. :evil:
     
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    If they are here illegally, they should congregate inside the nearest INS office to await deportation. It is a violation of a federal statute, and should be punished accordingly.



    But I ain't holdin' my breath. :cuss:
     
  5. Jammer Six

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    We get stronger every time an immigrant crosses the border. :cool:
     
  6. Camp David

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    Since I live very close to Herndon, this issue impacts me... my thoughts:

    We cannot sustain illegal immigration... when the low paying jobs run out and people don't hire these illegals, they will turn to crime to survive. Thus, Herndon should not be subsidizing illegal behavior by encouraging it. The town is wrong. Further, illegal aliens make a mockery of those that applied legally for access and citizenship. The town is wrong. These illegal aliens should be rounded up and send back where they came from. Now.
     
  7. Kharn

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    They should erect the pavillion with one condition: an INS officer be present at all times. :evil:

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  8. Biker

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    An intersting note: La Raza translates to "The Race" and their motto is, "For those of The Race, everything. For those not of The Race, nothing".
    Maybe if The Klan translated their hateful rhetoric into Spanish, they would be accepted as readily as La Raza.

    Heeeeeyyyyy Jammer! Do you hire illegals? Hmmmmm?

    Biker ;)
     
  9. NCP24

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    Oh great! Public housing for illegal immigrants- what’s next?
     
  10. Lupinus

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    That is retarded. A shelter for them to wait in payed for with taxpayer dollars???

    Don't incourage them send them back home.

    Put the military on the boarder and make them cross legaly like all previous immigrints to this country had to do.
     
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    The city of Plano, Texas did the same exact thing back in '90 or so. Mexicans were hanging out on a particular corner at a convenience/beer store and I guess the city decided that an immigrant pick up site would move them. Beats me why they didn't send in squad cars daily and haul them off for being an illegal (and yes, I'd bet the rest of my paychecks for the year at least 90% were illegal).

    Anyone seen that video clip of the guy that goes and picks some of these illegals up like he needs workers the drives them to the INS office? Funny stuff.

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    lol

    I'd love to do that

    "Hey buddy hop in the truck bed, 50 bucks to help today"

    ..."Surpise!"

    Oh...that would be cruel

    I love it :evil: :evil: :evil:
     
  13. HighVelocity

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    Ok, how is this any different from building a shelter for crack dealers to stand under so when it rains their rocks won't get wet? :fire:
    Endorsing illegal activity, plain and simple.
     
  14. Lupinus

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    Immigration is needed.

    They do do work most domestic people do not want to do. And certianly at a pay rate that most american's will not (or cant afford to) work for.

    But illegal activity need's to stop.

    I'd say close the boarder's and set up immigration center's. Immigrint's in the past had to go through place's like elis island in new york.

    For my vote. Wall and militerize the boarder. And set up Ellis Island type immigration center's. Make them get a clear bill of health. Get a record on where they are from and where they are going. Check who they are. Issue them an immigrint ID card with their picture and a "zone" of where they are supposed to be. And send them on their way.

    As for the zone I mentioned. Certian zone's should be set up and besed on where the immigrint plan's to go issue him into that zone. If a zone get's to saturated clsoe it off and tell them they can't go there. Also figure out wht type's of income tax they should be subject to.

    Keep a database. If they commit a crime, they are deported and if they try to come back in are denied entry. If they come here and are found outside their zone without getting a clearence for it, they get a hearing and if they don't have a good reason are deported, and their name goes into the restricted database and refused any future entry.
     
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    Easy on the "Good Catholic Boys"

    My neighbor calls them "good Catholic boys." :rolleyes:

    Personally, I refuse to hire them. Yep, for not being a slimeball by hiring illegals, it took me longer to build my fence. I also have to mow my own lawn. Oh, Great Mother! The tragedy! How will we survive, if we have to dirty our own hands at manual labor?

    I learned a lesson though, from building my own fence as well as watching the illegals work for my neighbor around his house. I can rent labor-saving devices to make up for strong backs & weak minds and end up with a better product...for less money than hiring illegals to do the heavy lifting*. That is how my front yard picket fence will be built, as well as my irrigation system & backyard landscaping.

    Frankly, I produce much better product (fencing, landscaping, etc) than I have ever seen an illegal produce.

    * Besides, I always would have to do the heavy lifting, anyway, as most illegals are so dang small (malnutrition during childhood?) I took pity on my illegal-hiring neighbor one day & got all his shingles on his roof for him. The illegals could not (or would not :scrutiny: ) sling shingles over their shoulders & go up the ladder, while my neighbor was recently out of the hospital & still recovering. I got my neigbor's pickup parked right under the eave & stood on the tail gate, had the Mario brothers team up on a bundle of shingles to hand them to me, & I slung those bad boys up onto his roof. I had to rest every 10-15 miuntes or so, as I am not in the aerobic shape I used to be.

    Size does matter.
     
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    "We get stronger every time an immigrant crosses the border."

    And here I thought it was that we get stronger every time Jammer Six posts...

    Slowly but sure we are endorsing the idea that if you are here--no matter how you got here--you are entitled. That means not only de facto citizenship, it means rights, privileges, and welfare. Unfortunately, we have a whole stratum of American society that is complicit in this atrocity. The answer is nothing less than political militancy, starting by throwing out all elected officials who refuse to protect our borders and enforce the law, then cracking down on bureaucrats who won't do their jobs, and finally by boycotting all businesses that validate, in any way, shape, or form, illegal immigration.
     
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    There's another issue here that is bound to become inflammatory and divisive, viz., the fact that a lot of Christian churches appear to place their spiritual beliefs above the law, supporting illegals at all turns out of "compassion" and "humanitarianism." Catholic organizations are also at the forefront of this, willingly aiding immigrants in violation of the law because they share the same faith (or the same ethnicity). If this is what we mean by faith-based initiatives then I'm against them.
     
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    My hat's off to ya, jfruser. That's *exactly* the attitude we need in this country at this point in time. The popular mantra to day is, "They're only doing jobs that Americans won't do". BS! We did them just fine before the flood gates were opened. Ya know what they say...Repeat a lie often enough and it will come to be believed. Here's to ya...
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    A third world country is the only thing illegal immigrants can produce- just take a look at their own. Say goodbye to the USA and say hello to little Mexico.
     
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    Exactly... I am most concerned about the crime arising from illegal immigration... those that cannot secure employment will be forced into crime for sustenance... And what do they fear? The punishments on this side of the border are far less than they would face on the southern side. The risk quite less. Murders, rapes, assaults, larceny, theft, etc. etc. etc. will all be amplified by the percentage of illegal aliens not able to secure employment. Additionally, since they are illegal aliens, it will be far harder for local law enforcement to make a legal case against such aliens; their name is absent from most criminal databases: they roam free among us... only the ones interested in making a honest life here are willing to go through the legal hoops to become a registered citizen.

    Scary? Absolutely! :mad:
     
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    I was born in Iowa, as were my folks. There weren't too many (any?) illegals to pay to do your dirty work, so the folks did it there own dang selves. My grandparents had a hired man after they bought some more land to help with the farm, but he was a local guy.

    Whenever I read, "Illegals do the jobs Americans won't do," I know I am hearing from either someone ignorant or disingenuous. In Iowa, toilets were scrubbed, chicken houses were cleaned, and hogs were speyed all without the benefit of illegals' labor. Those tasks still get done, today, in places like Durant & Bennett Iowa, where nary an illegal has been sighted.
     
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    Fear!!! The only thing they fear is not being able to run across the border when they get caught, or maybe fear they won’t earn a profit on the drugs they’re smuggling into our country. We need reform and we need it now!
     
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    The shelter should be a bus - load them into the "shelter" and take them to the border.

    Something I do wonder about is with unemployment in this country at 5.1% (Oct 8th, Bureau of Labor Statistics) why aren't U.S. citizens showing up to get these jobs?
     
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    Thats one reason I hate going to Mass with my parents every time I go home to visit, they even have an English/Spanish Mass (with the Gospel and Homily being repeated in Spanish since our pastor became bilingual after the Mexicans came to town; this isnt in Texas or anywhere, they're in Maryland). The church even runs their school bus to whereever the "migrant workers" live to give them a ride to Mass every Sunday, and advertises the bilingual service all over the place. Everyone knows they're illegal, but nobody will do anything about it and they're welcomed with open arms regardless of legality.

    The one that really cheeses me off is at Christmas time, when we're asked to pray for the "migrant workers" safe return to Mexico so they can celebrate the holidays with their families and then good luck on their attempt to cross back into the US. :fire:

    In a just world, the INS would do their job and follow the bus on Sundays to find out where they're hiding. :fire:

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