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Deactivated weapons........I cried.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by rocpyro, Nov 16, 2009.

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  1. rocpyro

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    http://www.milweb.net/classifieds.php?type=16

    Some wonderful firearms in England. To bad their anti-gun government only allows private ownership if it's demilled. So look at the page, shed a tear, and send a few bucks to the NRA or similar organization, so this won't happen here.
     
  2. Ltp0wer

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    What a shame.

    How does one "deactivate" a firearm anyway? What's the process?
    Do they just seal up the barrel or remove the firing pin or something?
    I tried to find a wikipedia page about firearm deactivation, but couldn't.

    How hard is it to "reactivate"?
     
  3. Roccobro

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    They are usually done in a way to never be "reactivated" again. Welded barrels, welded actions, drilled barrels, etc. Crying shame. :(

    Justin
     
  4. mackbob

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    Reactivating a weapon that has been dewatted, as we call it here in America, would likely get you some serious Grey Bar Hotel time. The English, being thorough as they are, probably make it pretty difficult to return weapons to firing status. And, even if you could, the damage to the barrel would likely make firing them largely a waste of effort and ammo.

    England has entered the category of a "slave nation" with the latest round of gun restrictions passed several years ago. Not only is lawful ownership denied to the general populace, but they are literally now a nation in which the only working firearms are in the hands of the criminals. And the criminals have been using them with great abandon in recent year. London is the most dangerous metropolitan area in all Europe, with murder rates that make Detroit and East L.A. seem tame by comparison.

    I saw some of the video cam footage of a gang of teens running two policemen off when they answered a call to a fight or some such disturbance in a London suburb. The lunatics have taken the asylum, so to speak.

    Fortunately, there is a small, but very vocal group of British citizens who are demanding restoration of their rights to own and use firearms. They held a rally and made it clear that their rights as Englishmen did not include being murdered in their beds by thugs and gangsters while the police took their time to finish their tea. The crime rate in England is a perfect example of the bumper sticker caption that reads "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!"
     
  5. evan price

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    To disable a firearm to English law specifications, you basically have to ruin it such that it can never again be able to fire a round.

    What I've seen involves cutting the frame of a semi auto to remove over 90% of the slide rails. Cutting the breechblock or milling it to weaken it. Cutting a slot lengthwise and rewelding up the barrel. Welding solid the chamber. Destroying the firing-pin slot, weakening the slide, Et-cetera. It will still look from the outside like a gun. It will also be possible to rack the slide, pull the trigger, et cetera. But it will never fire again. It's a museum display after that.

    Basically, if you had a Brit demill gun, you couldn't use it for anything but small parts, it would never fire again.

    Sucks for the British. However in terms of making me sad to see a gun destroyed, well, no. They make more every day. It's just a piece of metal. If it were some historically significant item, like a Colt SAA for example, well it's regrettable, but that just makes the rest of them worth more.
     
  6. The Wiry Irishman

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    If London had the Detroit's Murder rate (37.1 per 100,000 residents), they would have approximately 2660 murders per year, or 7 per day. (using 2001 census data of 7172000 London residents) The entire UK, not just London, had about 730 murders in 2006. I have no idea where you're getting your data from.

    ETA:

    That's not true either. The licensing process is difficult and involved, but citizens can still own shotguns, non-autoloading centerfire rifles, and long-barreled revolvers. (I forget the exact specification, but its a "handgun" with something like a 20" OAL) In fact, there are several British members of THR that own plenty of guns. Granted, gun rights are in a very poor place over there, but blatantly false rhetoric does our side no good and in fact makes us look worse.
     
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  7. JohnBT

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    " London is the most dangerous metropolitan area in all Europe"

    The numbers I have seen in goverment reports, including the EU, are talking in terms of violent crimes, not murders. It appears to be true statement, and not just the most dangerous area in Europe either.

    John
     
  8. The Wiry Irishman

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    JohnBT - I wasn't disputing "the most dangerous city in Europe" statement, I too have seen that data, but its very important to make the distinction between violent crime and murders alone.
     
  9. Zoogster

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    Most deactivated firearms are ruined so thoroughly that while it would theoretically be possible to reactivate them, it would be easier to make most of damaged components from scratch.
    Repairing and returning intentionally damaged steel to a state where it can safely contain explosive gases would be more work than forming new pieces that did the same thing from raw metal.

    So it would often be easier to just make entirely new components from scratch than try to reuse parts which have been damaged from the process.
    Meaning such firearms really are only valuable to those interested in collecting non-functioning firearms.


    Many governments which have greatly restricted firearm rights also restrict such deactivated guns more than actual firearms are in the USA.
    With registration requirements, storage in large safes required, and more red tape than the NFA process in the United States.


    The UK certainly is quite violent. While in the USA it is relatively easy to avoid most violence if you choose to, in the UK a violent and vulgar culture is more widespread.
    They also have things like the "happy slap" popular with many youth. Where they randomly punch or attack strangers minding thier own business.
    Self defense is also less clear in many circumstances, so you have to practically become a criminal to live as a man with some self respect.
     
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  10. Skillet

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    those dumb brits need to send every one of their American weapons back to the U.S. for REACTIVATION..
     
  11. Titan6

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    Not a chance. Moscow, Sarajevo or

    Milan, Athens, Rome for the "civilized Europe"

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/worlds-most-safe-dangerous-cities

    London is now tied for New York as a dangerous place to live. NYC is relatively safe by US standards.
     
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    Yeah it is a shame the process is usually so destructive to the point of not even usable for a wall hanger....
     
  13. oneounceload

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    NOT even close to being true. As mentioned, any person can apply and get a shotgun permit which allows them to own those guns. Rifles for sporting use are also allowed

    Do they have stupid laws? Yes they do - just in the news - a former soldier is facing 5 years in prison for finding and turning in a gun he saw in the dumpster. He felt he was doing a good public service and the prosecutor is going for the max, while they allow certain PC protected immigrant groups to commit mayhem. Knives are now being considered to be restricted since thugs are cutting folks. They don't get it. However, having friends who ARE English and who own many guns over there, it is very possible, as mentioned, for someone to own guns
     
  14. FROGO207

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    For being a civilized country they don't act as such. Might be why our forefathers left for America and more sanity.:) It is true that a subject (not citizen) can own certain arms, still the country is in a poor state.:scrutiny: I will fight to keep our rights as they are now thank you.
     
  15. sidibear

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    Ok, Brit guys view.
    London, Bradford and some areas of Birmingham are very violent places to be, this is mainly due to immigrant gangs with different beliefs, they are no go areas for white people and the police are reluctant to go there. This isn't a race thing, its a fact. 95% of gang rape convictions were non white, while the victims were 97% white. Home office statistics can be viewed online.
    I am pretty certain more than 760 were murdered in the UK, a lot of the statistics are misleading. For instance someone gets attacked, people are arrested, charges are dropped, no crime is listed as happening.
    Someone stabbed in a fight who later dies isn't classed as murder but manslaughter.

    Back to the topic. What usually happens is that the barrel has a 1/4" cut along the underside for the majority of the lenght, all the workings are removed depending on the type of gun, breech block, firing pins, bolts welded up and a plug welded into the barrel.
    If you converted one back to firing condition you would be risking your life if you fired it. All that would be retriveable would be the woodwork or grips.

    Long barrelled revolvers are allowed, minimum barrel length of 12" and a minimum total length of 24", no restriction on calibre.
    The only semi auto's allowed are .22lr, 10/22 rugers being the favorite rifle and Browning buckmarks being the favorite pistol.
    Rifles, any calibre is ok, as long as you have somewhere to shoot it. There are I think 3 places in the UK where you can fire a .50 cal, and they are tank ranges.
    You can shoot on military ranges as a member of a gun club but our wonderful NRA (UK version not the USA) introduced a shooter certification scheme which you have to prove competence in order to shoot on a military range. No one asked for it, they just decided to introduce it, and charge you for it.

    Someone has reintroduced the 1911 for the UK market, in .22lr, and its one of two legal semi autos pistols allowed here.

    Fight for the 2nd amendment as hard as you can, becuase otherwise, your handguns might look like this...

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  16. Titan6

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    Where?
     
  17. sidibear

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    Sorry, got it wrong. 92% + 50%.

    http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/a-zsubjects.html

    A shocking report, ordered by the Metropolitan Police Authority, has revealed that 92 percent of all gang rapists in London are non-white. Fifty percent of all the victims are white.

    The report, drawn up by a senior detective from the Yard’s Operation Sapphire team, which investigates sex crimes, revealed that eight percent of all gang rape suspects in 2008/09 were white, 32 percent were black, and 24 percent contained members of different ethnicities. The make-up for the rest was unknown.

    The proportion of white victims fell from 69 percent in 1998/99 to 50 percent last year, while the number of black victims doubled from 17 percent to 34 percent, the report continued.

    In total, there were 93 gang rapes last year compared with 36 in 2003/04.

    Police define the offence as being a sex attack by three or more people, although research by the Met shows an increase in the number of assaults involving four or more attackers.

    The report’s other statistics show that in 1998/99, a total of 48 percent of victims were 19 or younger. Last year that total had reached 64 percent. Thirty-six percent of victims were 15 or younger.

    The ages of the perpetrators has also dropped. According to the Met, 42 percent were 19 and under last year, compared with 38 percent In 2003/04.

    The number of suspects in their twenties fell slightly over that period, from 32 percent to 30 percent.

    The report, by Detective Chief Inspector Mark Yexley, says the Met “recognises multiple-perpetrator sex offending linked to youth violence as one of the most serious crime types.”

    It adds that gang rape is less likely to be reported than other offences because there are often social links between victims and suspects.

    Boroughs with the highest rates of gang rapes include Lambeth, Croydon, Newham, Southwark, Westminster and Hackney.

    The Met also said it had asked for research into the issues of female gang membership and gang violence.

    The report says: “Offences are complex … from allegations of consensual sex between victims and a known party followed by non-consensual assaults committed by associates, to stranger attacks involving large groups.”

    And to keep this post slightly on topic, this is what accounts for the majority of the UK's gun crime. Take is as read that none of the guns used are legally held by licensed owners.
    http://www.stoptheguns.org/whatistrident/index.php
     
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  18. Titan6

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    Those numbers are closer to US numbers. Except here many woman have the option of protecting themselves.
     
  19. sidibear

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    @Titan6, no one in the UK has the option to defend themselves, the criminals have all the rights and all the weapons.
    If I was to even point one of my guns at an attacker I would have them all taken off me and I would face a jail sentence.
     
  20. Titan6

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    I would spend a lot of time at the gym, but I am still young enough to be a threat.
     
  21. sidibear

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    I do work out, but then if I do get the better of an attacker I risk an assault charge, the UK laws suck.
     
  22. Titan6

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    That doesn't suck, that is suicidal.
     
  23. blaisenguns

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    UK gun owners, come on over to the US, we would be happy to have you.
     
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