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Dealing with a Campus Shooter

Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by LibShooter, May 6, 2009.

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  1. Joe Demko

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    My response is exactly the response I would give to anybody who has decided I am so untrustworthy that I must be disarmed. What you are overlooking is that you are denying me my right to protect myself on top of everything else. I don't have much love at all for people who deny me my own right of self-defense. Why is it that such people have a habit of whining about protecting the children as why I must be disarmed?
     
  2. sm

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    Joe Demko,

    Well sir,

    I personally do not have a problem with you having a gun in the classroom.

    I do not know any teachers in Israel that have guns in classrooms, and I do not have a problem with this either.
    Israel put a stop to some school shootings, just as they did airplanes being hijacked.

    Re: Training.

    Blame LBJ and The Great Society.
    Americans used to be born with grit and backbone, and parents parented, and mentors mentored.

    Then LBJ and The Great Society "said" the Government could raise kids better than parents. They "said" the government was going to take care of you.

    Oh they trained society all right, they sure did. With all their laws, restrictions, brainwashing, and propaganda, they turned grit into powder puff, and turned backbone to yellow soft cowardly matter.

    Thank goodness I was born in the last great decade! I remember JFK being shot, and when LBJ raised his hand, and was sworn into office, my gut said "we are in trouble".
    I was young, still I felt it.
    So did Mentors.

    Kids were raised to not start a fight, still if they found themselves in one, to end it.
    Software, just thinking, figuring out things for themselves.

    One was not dressed without a knife, boy, girl, lady or gent. We kids took knives to school, and when any adult asked to see it, we had better hand it over correctly, the blade be sharp, and pivots oiled

    The teacher had a stone on his/her desk, and teachers "taught" a whole lot more than what a textbook has to offer.

    Guns were in school, we had BB Guns, and Archery sets. We brought guns to school for Show-n-Tell, and for Shop classes and...

    Times were difficult, Vietnam was going on, and all sorts of things. Still nobody went on a shooting spree.
    Criminals knew Faculty & Students were raised right.

    In HS, we had some out of town criminals, from a big big city, "think" they could take a HS girl off campus and have their way.
    She used a straight razor, and changed minds rather fast.

    We had some Anti-War /Peace folks come and start throwing rocks, and sticks, and bashing cars on my HS campus.

    Yeah, I was not the only guy with long hair, that looked like a 'gall durned hippie".

    It ain't the hair that makes a hippie, it is what the person is about.
    Needless to say My kind kicked butt, and took names, against the Anti-War/Peace folks , that came to us, with violence.

    Hell hath no fury than a HS girl, that has lost an older brother in Vietnam, she will put some serious hurt on you, and she does not care if you are a guy, and are bigger.


    LBJ and The Great Society is about Control. It is easier to control a bunch of yellow bellied, spineless folks.

    There was no Political Correctness when I was coming up. Kids , both boys and girls grew up learning to shoot.
    "A Nation of Rifleman".
    And the girls did not get their panties wadded up because of Rifleman
    either.

    Nobody cared if a kid was shooting at "The Ruskies" [target] because we were concerned about the Ruskies.
    It was fine and dandy if a kid shot that target and said " I killed a Commie", and sure enough go check the target a kid shot with a .22 rifle.

    As each decade after the one I was born in, has come up, more and more of The Great Society is evident.

    NO Gun Control - Period from my decade to folks on this very Gun Forum thinking it is a good idea to give up some liberties for some freedom.

    LBJ would be real proud of you folks, he really would.

    The Great Society has a bunch of yellow bellied, spineless folks, that cannot do diddly by themselves.

    As a kid, I swear we did more Civil Defense Drills than we did Fire Drills.
    More than once, a drill was conducted, and not announced. Many times something was pulled on us, to get us to think, and to take an action.
    Principle one time had smoke ( dry ice best recall) and a large pc of ply board with "fire".
    First grade.
    None of us had attended kindergarten or day care, our first exposure to school, was first grade.

    Teacher watched, and when we felt the "hot" door knob, and saw smoke coming under the door...
    A jacket was put down on the floor "up-under" the door, desks scooted to windows, and we got a window up and helped each other out.

    A few years ago I am in a college building, in the hallway, and a college student is dialing 911, to find out how long to set the microwave to bake a potato.


    I have been on campus, more than once when shots were fired, when a bomb threat was going down, and some other emergencies.

    I suggested to Chair of Sociology, to have his students do a study on ages , and how they responded.
    The last shooting, I was visiting a campus, and I kid you not, you could tell whom was born in what decade, and whom was raised right, as to how they reacted.

    Yes, some folks are parenting and mentoring youth as they should be. Still many would be shocked to really know what is "taught" in school.

    Joe Demko is a "teacher", not a puppet of the State

    There is a difference, a huge one.
     
  3. Eric F

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    I agree with sm
    I also beleive if a teacher is going to be armed I as a parent would like to know exactly what kind of gun owner the teacher is. I will absolutly not leave my child with a person that thinks loaded guns will not be handeled by children and thinks they can just leave it sit on the desk. Thats just an example. I would like to be reassured that the gun handeling practices are safe in the presence of my daughter.

    If you like gun play and careless gun practices fing be armed, my daughter wont be in your class.

    And thats all I have to say about that...........
     
  4. Jdude

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    If you are trusting the teacher to educate and care for your child, shouldn't you be concerned what kind of person he is?

    I think children should learn firearm safety as well.
    In these circumstances, neither would mine. However, I doubt that he has done it because he is A) apparently still employed as a teacher, and B) not in prison as those are crimes. Joe, you are free to pass wisdom to my kid.
     
  5. Eric F

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    Jdude My comments were generalized and not directed to any one individual.
    well yes that is my point and part of that is the gun safety issue. They could be the best teacher in the world but be a total flop when it comes to guns.
    again me too but not by a school system at least not at first. The school system has no place teaching certian things. But all this really matters not to me as my child is home schooled and I can pick the time to teach gun safety, not the state or local government.
     
  6. Anonymous Coward

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    I trust teachers to educate, and that is all. You want to play hero? Go join the fire department.

    Well, Mr. Wannabe Superhero, I feel I do know you now. I would no sooner trust you around students than I would a child molester.

    Your pathetic response at my daring to question your ability to "serve and protect" proves my point: I wouldn't trust you with a gun, not around my kids, not around anyone's, or even your own.

    You're a creep with a gun, who spins elaborate fantasies about letting someone's children die, someone who's opinion of you doesn't match your own.

    You're not a policeman, you're an (unfortunately, for us) armed citizen. And they are not equal. Put away your guns and seek professional help as to the cause of your apparent feelings of worthlessness.

    The answer is self-evident.
     
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  7. Eric F

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    ok guys I call foul with the wishing children dead and child molester comment. This is still a civil forum. Disagreements can be had and we are all pro gun atleast on some level.
    Lets maybe go back and think a bit and edit ourselves.
     
  8. Anonymous Coward

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    I'm not arguing that the people of the United States have no right to protect themselves, but what I don't support is the idea that any given teacher has the ability and the wherewithal to protect a classroom of students.

    CCW training is no substitute for a course at the law enforcement academy, street experience, or the authority bestowed upon a LEO.

    This is an apples and oranges situation.

    How many of the schools involved in mass shootings had a police officer on campus?

    (Besides Columbine).
     
  9. Jdude

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    Or driving, or running a sports event for PE. He may be a total flop at guns, but he may also be a total flop at many things that can harm your child. The odds are, if he has gone to a CCW class, that he is a fine shooter and responsible handler. That's just playing the odds, sir.
    Homeschooling is hard work but more than likely your kid will come out better for it. For the rest of us, we have accepted the trade offs of public school.
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    It is entirely possible that he or someone like him teaches your children.
    You seem pretty angry about all of this. If he goes about armed every day (guessing here, I don't know him or his carry habbits), what makes him so dangerous when he goes in front of a classroom of children?

    Aside from some exaggerated scenarios, I don't see any reason to question his abilities. I don't know the guy, and despite his numerous posts, don't recall his name. Could you spell it out for me?
     
  10. Anonymous Coward

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    Nah, I think it should stand. He owns his words.

    Besides, I didn't call him a child molester; I merely said that he was no more trustworthy around children than one.

    How come you didn't "call foul" earlier?
     
  11. Fred Fuller

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    Well, that's enough of that. A couple of you have PMs...

    lpl
     
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