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Death by a thousand cuts? - Now Minnesota

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by usmarine0352_2005, Feb 1, 2013.

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  1. usmarine0352_2005

    usmarine0352_2005 Member

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    It may not be the Federal laws we have to worry about. City by City, State by State we could be losing our rights.


    Now in Minnesota.




    http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/189308661.html

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  2. Lex Luthier

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    We gotta stick together brother. I almost threw up when Franken got elected. Dayton is inebriated half the time. Perhaps it's the cabin fever syndrome that creates so many DFLers and makes them so scared of personal responsibility.
     
  3. HoosierQ

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    What is a DFL?
     
  4. Grassman

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    Don't we already have this?

    "measures would be taken to prevent guns from being sold or given to felons who cannot legally buy or possess firearms.":banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
     
  5. beatledog7

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    There is a way to do this that has no ill effect on the responsible gun owner: keep felons locked up. Done and done.
     
  6. psyopspec

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    Does anyone have a link or place to go in MN to find the actual submissions so we can write the law makers? They make it easy for the national stuff but not the local stuff. I want to have my voice heard on this and other proposed laws but do not know where to go and do that. I have searched but have not found a place that lists them out in one easy place. Maybe that is what they want. Thanks.
     
  8. Al Thompson

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    Seriously? Perhaps where you live (get active in local politics). Otherwise, where we are winning is where we live. Look at the number of states that now have shall issue concealed weapons permits. Twenty years ago, the number was a small fraction. :cool:

    We are winning the war, but wars have many battles. ;)
     
  9. jbrown50

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    Yes.

    18 USC 922 (d) 1 - 9.

    Yesterday, I had to actually show it to an anti before she would believe it.
     
  10. Ryanxia

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    While you're right, one battle (a Sandy Hook induced packet of Bills) could easily turn the tide of the whole war.
     
  11. mnhntr

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    11 bills in committee right now. It is your time to call and email your Reps and let them know you will not tolerate these bills being passed. Most will not make it out of committee but theres always a chance they will. If you can please show up to the public hearings at the capitol on the 5th and 7th of this month to show your support. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/st...&session=0882013&topic[]=1200&submit_topic=GO
     
  12. awgrizzly

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    ----- Original Message -----
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    Subject: MN proposed gun legislation

    The future of firearms are on the line here. Don’t sit on your hands and wait for someone else to rescue your rights. Act now...

    Bills introduced in the Minnesota House and Senate on January 31 would add unprecedented restrictions on gun owners in Minnesota. The following is a relatively quick overview of the possible restrictions that Minnesota might soon face. Please note that this is not a complete or definitive summary of all the bills, the bills may change during the legislative process, and this summary was prepared quickly.
    The Minnesota House Public Safety Finance and Policy Committee is holding hearings on these bills, and others, next week. The hearings are scheduled for February 5, 6 and 7, starting at 10:00 am in Room 10 of the State Office Building. If you oppose any of these bills, or want to let your thoughts be known, please participate in these hearings, or at very least, contact your representatives.
    Committee Home: http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/comm/committee.asp?comm=88022 Committee Members: http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/comm/committeemembers.asp?comm=88022 Committee Schedule: http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/comm/schedule.asp?comm=88022
    Information about contacting your legislators: http://www.gis.leg.mn/OpenLayers/districts/
    Guide to Participation: http://www.leg.state.mn.us/leg/faq/faqtoc.aspx?subject=20
    Hunters and sportsmen in New York recently woke up to find that many of these restrictions had been passed in their state. They are now faced with the dilemma of obeying the law and surrendering their magazines and rifles or becoming felons. We should not have to face the same choice, and we can avoid it.
    Bill Summaries
    HF 0243: 7 Round Magazine Limit https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0243..0.html&session=ls88
    This bill would make it a felony to possess any magazine, internal or external, that holds more than seven (7) rounds. The only exceptions would be for tubular .22lr magazines or tubular magazines on a lever action rifle. Selling or giving away any larger capacity magazines would be prohibited, and as of August 1, 2013, you would need to transfer any magazine larger than 7 rounds out of the state or turn it over to a law enforcement agency for destruction. You would not be allowed to keep any magazines you owned prior to enactment of this bill. The bill makes no distinction between internal or external magazines, or pistols, rifles, or shotguns. En-bloc clips for an M1 Garand would likely be illegal under this bill.
    This bill is authored by Representatives Hausman, Paymar, Johnson, and Simonson.

    HF0242: 10 Round Magazine Limit https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0242..0.html&session=ls88
    This is identical to HF0243, but the limit would be 10 rounds.
    This bill is authored by Representatives Hausman, Slocum, Hornstein and Davine
    HF0241: “Assault Weapon” Ban https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0241..0.html&session=ls88
    This bill would create a ban on so-called assault weapons in Minnesota. The bill defines an assault weapon as:
    A semi-automatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and one or more of the following features: A pistol grip or thumbhole stock [Note: Yes, a Ruger 10/22 with a thumbhole stock would be banned]; Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non- trigger hand; A folding or telescoping stock; Any partial or full barrel shroud for the off-hand
    Any semi-automatic rifle or pistol, centerfire or rimfire, with an internal magazine that can accept more than seven (7) rounds. [Note: This would ban most semi-auto .22’s, M1 Garands, SKS’s, and other rifles.]
    Any semi-automatic pistol that takes a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following features: Any feature that can be used as a protruding grip for the non-trigger hand; A folding, telescoping, or thumbhole stock; A barrel shroud of any kind for the off-hand; The ability to accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip [Note: this would ban any AR or AK style pistol, as well as a Ruger Charger or similar pistol]
    Any semi-automatic shotgun with one or more of the following features: A pistol grip or thumbhole stock [Comment: this would apply to many common turkey- hunting shotguns] Any feature that can function as a protruding grip for the off-hand; The ability to accept a detachable magazine; A folding or telescoping stock; The capacity to hold more than seven rounds [Note: The availability of 1 ¾” mini-shells from Aguila would likely make most semi-auto shotguns illegal]
    Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder (such as the Rossi Circuit Judge)

    Registration Requirement: This bill would also require annual registration of anything that qualifies as an “assault weapon” under the criteria listed above. Registration would involve a background check, require compliance with safe storage regulations set by local law enforcement agencies, allow that law enforcement agency to enter your home to inspect your storage arrangements, require that you report theft or loss of the weapon within 48 hours, and restrict use of the “assault weapon” to your property and licensed shooting ranges. Local law enforcement would be allowed to set whatever fee is deemed necessary for the annual registration of each weapon.
    No Purchases or Transfers: This bill would also prevent purchase of any so-called “assault weapon” after February 1, 2013. You could not even transfer an assault weapon to your children; on your death they would be required to turn the weapon over to law enforcement or make it permanently inoperable.
    Currently-owned Weapons: If you currently own an assault weapon (and remember, that would include quite a few common hunting rifles and shotguns), you would need to register it by September 1, 2013, remove it from Minnesota, surrender it to law enforcement for destruction, or make it permanently inoperable.
    Felony Provisions: If you violate this law, you would be guilty of a felony and subject to up to five years in prison or a fine of not more than $25,000.00
    This bill is authored by Representatives Hausman, Simonson, Hornstein, Davnie and Slocum.
    HF 0244: Transfer Restrictions https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0244..0.html&session=ls88
    This bill would make it a felony to falsely report the loss or theft of a firearm or to transfer a firearm to someone that you know or have reason to believe is disqualified from owning a firearm. And committing either crime would make you ineligible to possess any firearms.
    This bill is authored by Representatives Jonson, S; Schoen, Slocum and Isaacson.
    HF 0240: Mental Health Transfer Investigations and No Out-of-State Permits https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0240..0.html&session=ls88
    Roughly summarized, this bill would add mental health screening to applicants for transferee or carry permits in Minnesota, if the applicant has any contact with law enforcement that indicates dangerous or violent behavior, serious mental illness, mental incompetence, or chemical dependency. It would also apply the same to existing requirements to report the sale or transfer of a pistol or assault-style weapon.
    This bill would also eliminate non-Minnesota residents from obtaining a Minnesota permit to carry.
    This bill is authored by Representatives Scheon, Simonson, Paymar, Isaacson and R. Dehn.

    HF 0237: Expanded Restrictions on Firearm Ownership https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0237..0.html&session=ls88
    This bill has multiple impacts.
    Anyone under 18, without being in the presence of their parent or guardian, could not possess a firearm unless participating in military drill or in a class, competition, or target practice on shooting ranges approved by local law enforcement;
    The bill also makes it easier for people to be denied the right to own a firearm due to mental health issues or substance abuse by removing the requirement that the commitment or confinement be ordered by a Judge.
    The bill would also require ID to obtain a transferee permit (often called a “permit to purchase”).
    Transferree permits would be subject to a $25 fee instead of free.
    A permit to carry would not serve as a transferee permit unless it was issued within the previous 12 months.
    All sales of pistols or semi-automatic, military style assault weapons would have to go through a licensed dealer, with fees capped at $25/transfer. Transfers to immediate family members would be exempt. And the ability to loan a firearm without conducting a formal transfer would also be restricted.
    This bill is authored by Representatives Paymar, Schoen, R. Dehn, Simonson, and Hornstein.
    Other bills introduced in the Minnesota House include:
    HF0239: Regarding possession of firearms on private property after being ordered to leave. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0239..0.html&session=ls88
    HF 238: Unlawful possession of firearms on school property. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0238..0.html&session=ls88
    This bill would change the penalty for a permit-to-carry holder that carries a weapon on school grounds from a misdemeanor to a felony and makes the pistol subject to forfeiture.
    This bill is authored by Davnie; Lesch; R. Dehn; Simonson; Schoen and others.
     
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    I contacted members of the pulic safety committee to let them know my stand on further gun laws . I am getting the canned political BS from most of them . I am impressed however with this reply :

    Unfortunately I am disabled and presently undergoing medical issues that prevent me from attending the hearings. Please - Please will someone from Minnesota contact her and offer to give testimony . Someone with good presentation skills and a clear and proper way of presenting our views .
     
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    I suspect that the reason Obama is coming to Minnesota to support this legislation, is because they feel they have a good chance of passing it and making Miinnesota a poster boy for these more restrictive laws.

    It's going to be a hard fight in a state that now is under the control of the urban kings . We need to work hard on this one, or end up like the subjects of California .
     
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    Minnesota? Go figure. Having lived there, Massachusetts and California I'm not the least bit surprised - or more correctly, surprised it didn't come sooner and harder after the CAWB passed.
     
  16. usmarine0352_2005

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    It says no mags over 7 rounds. And there is no exemption for law enforcement.


    While the many police chief's stand up and praise these horrible laws I can tell you that the majority of patrol officers are against them.


    However, the anti-gun politicians trot their little chief's around and make it seem as if the entire police department are for the anti-gun laws they propose and are against the 2nd Amendment and citizen's rights.
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    Doesn't the history of Minnesota mainly encompas the many, many people who immigrated there over the years from the Scandanavia countries where socialism reigned?

    Socialism is a way of life in Minnesota, isn't it?

    L.W.
     
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    Absolutely true for some folks. To some degree the whole nation is adopting socialism, but some states are more advanced down that path that others.

    Until we can figure out how to take back this country from the urbanites even Idaho is at great risk .


     
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    Lex Luthier - Dayton is not inebriated!

    He's on drugs....
     
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    DFL is the Minnesota Democratic Farmer and Labor Party. The Land of 10,000 Lakes version of Democratic party.
     
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    I've lived in Minnesota my entire life of 68 years, starting in the northern part of the state when it was still a frontier of sorts. It's true, the state has always leaned socialistic, much from necessity as settlers worked together to survive and prosper. But what we are looking at today in the Democratic party is much different. The early settlers loved liberty, were very patriotic, and staunchly defended the Constitution. The gun was an integral part of life back then, and a right of passage for young men taught by their fathers.

    I was a Democrat all through my younger years. In the seventies I saw the party changing as members of the peace movement worked their way into politics. I have hope that many Minnesotans still retain some of these values of old and will reject this Statist attack. It is an attack... part and parcel to a revolutionary assault on the core values of America.
     
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    I agree that the DFL party of today is much different than when I grew up (I am also in my 60's).

    I will add one thing, and that is the influx of minorities into our largest cities has had a profound effect . The large Urban communities have the numbers to control the state, and the politicians have been carefuly grooming them to hold on to their power base. It has been sickening to watch, and disheartening to know that my votes get canceled by illegals and others that are more and more dependant on handouts to live here.
     
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    What is the likelihood of these measures passing? I know minnesota is a blue state, but it doesn't seem to be the same shade of blue as new york or cali to an outside observer.
     
  24. Lex Luthier

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    @vamo: You have to live here a while to get how blue it really is. We have a mayor who prides himself on not bothering to match his socks. Apparently that task detracts from his free-spiritedness. You go to a garage sale and half the time there is a vintage Paul Wellstone sign hanging up as a worship symbol. There are rainbow flags on every block.

    Moving here was a blessing in many ways, but I might have missed the forest for the trees, and maybe should have moved a few years ago when MN elected Jesse Ventura. I guess it's more about cult of personality and socialist principles than conservative personal responsibility.

    This week Obie is visiting on Monday for a photo opp with all the authors of the MN gun bills. The rest of the week we get to pray and hang on to see how draconian these elected genii feel we deserve to live.
     
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    Besides the OP (thanks for spreading the word), the rest of this thread is pretty much just hot air. Instead of talk of socialism, etc, I'd much rather see a 5 page thread of MN members saying they just contacted their state representatives and presented their opinion on the matter.

    If you are MN resident and haven't contacted your reps, please do so.

    You can use the following to find your reps:

    http://www.gis.leg.mn/OpenLayers/districts/
     
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