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Debate over "birthright citizenship"

Discussion in 'Legal' started by bg, Dec 26, 2005.

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  1. bg

    bg Member

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    When you find out, let me know..
    I'm 100% for this. I see no problem with those born to illegals here
    be classified as illegal themselves. Too many times these off spring
    have enjoyed the benefits of this Nation, and it's not right.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051226/ap_on_re_us/illegal_immigrants_birthright

     
  2. Biker

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    The leadership doesn't give a damn about anything except keeping the corporate $s coming in and gaining the hispanic vote, both at the expense of the American middle class. Time for a changing of the guard...
    Biker
     
  3. yonderway

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    There are serious 14th Amendment issues that need to be addressed before anything can change.
    We might need a new amendment to make this stick. If we're going to much about with amendments, can we repeal XVII, please?
     
  4. yonderway

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    And while we're at it, Amendment XXVII could use some work, too.
     
  5. cz75bdneos22

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    i concur..;)
     
  6. Standing Wolf

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    There's a way to amend the Constitution. It's time to draw a line between legitimate immigrants and illegal aliens, including their children.

    That said™, I'm not holding my breath while waiting for the Republicans to do the right thing for America.
     
  7. longeyes

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    We've gone from the Invasion of the Body Snatchers to the Invasion of the Nation Snatchers.

    Unless this matter is addressed honestly and its political implications openly debated this will end up being The Big Deal-Breaker for both current political parties before the next Presidential Election rolls around. If the major political parties choose to place squatters' rights over citizen and taxpayer rights, it is time they were given a clear signal that their services are no longer needed.
     
  8. Kaylee

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    Personally, I'm all for an end to automatic citizenship. For ALL of us, whether mama crossed the border three weeks before delivery or you can trace your family to the Mayflower.

    Seems to me if a person doesn't understand the basics of American governance, they shouldn't have a say in how it goes. I'd say a person has to be a net taxpayer and be able to pass a simple test along the lines of "What are the three branches of governence? List the Bill of Rights... " and so forth in able to get a vote.

    -K
     
  9. Standing Wolf

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    Amen! May it be so!
     
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    Who are you holding your breath for? If not the Republicans, do you think the DEMs will do the right thing or are you waiting for some third party to develop and push aside the REPs and DEMs?
     
  11. gc70

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    That would be illegal because it would be the intellectual equivalent of a poll tax... that many could not pay. :evil:
     
  12. c_yeager

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    So how would you like to see this done? Would you like every person who gives birth in the hospital to provide their "papers"? Where do these "papers" come from, anyways? Maybe we should have national ID to go along with it. While we are at it, how about border checkpoints inbetween states? How much freedom are you willing to sell to keep landscapers from having to compete with Mexicans?
     
  13. shecky

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    Seems most of the so called problems with illegal immigration could be solved by simply removing the "il" from "illegal".

    This is a supply and demand issue. We in the US absolutely DEMAND low cost, flexible labor provided by illegal immigrant work. Providing low cost labor is the net benefit to the economy. With employment rates floating around the mid single digits for a long time now, it's difficult to say they're actually taking much away from anyone. That the US can absorb so many illegal immigrants and remain such a vibrant economy points more to a non existent problem.

    I say the best thing is to do what we've been doing for the last few decades, or even nothing at all. The alternative would be a HUGE growth of big government in order to insure that everyone in the country belongs here. Not only would this be big government, it would be big and intrusive government. In addition, the disappearance of flexible low wage labor pool means a labor shortage and higher prices for everything currently touched by that labor pool. Which is just about everything.
     
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    Whether jus solis or jus sanguis, the bottom line remains:
    you have to tighten your southern border.

    Anything less is ultimately ineffectual.
     
  15. longeyes

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    Let's see, there must be some reason that the L.A. Unified School District is planning to build 150 schools by 2012. I wonder who those schools are for. And I wonder who's going to foot the bill.

    Yeah, illegal immigration, no problema, todo bueno.
     
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    That the US can absorb so many illegal immigrants and remain such a vibrant economy points more to a non existent problem.

    you have much to learn about ILlegal aliens..first.they are criminals and they are not immigrants...immigrants WANT to become US citizens..not just take our money and run...

    should you visit los angeles or any border town/city and don't see any problems..contact your vision professional ASAP...

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    ...Anyone fretting over the children of illegal (immigrants)(aliens) growing up and sponsoring their parents should review the law.

    If Mom and Dad went back to their Country of Origin, the kid can sponsor them at age 18, sure enough. But why should he, after being dumped in the U. S.?

    If Mom and Dad stayed around to raise their offspring, they're still illegally resident, which adds a ten-year penalty clause. Their child cannot sponsor them until the age of 28!

    INS is famously adversarial; they are not at all willing to be fooled on this.

    ...Maybe it's just me but anyone who manages to sneak into this country, raise a kid, and stay alive for 28 years while working "off the books" might have paid some dues. "Anchor children?" Yeah, you bet.

    There are plenty of other aspects to illegal immigration and there are very few easy answers. But this one is not so difficult to work out.

    --Herself
     
  18. Lupinus

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    I'm all for it. If your parents are here illegaly I don't think you should be a citizen cause your mother popped you out on our side of the fence one night. But if your parents are citizens or here legaly then you should be considered a citizen. Then agian I am all for having to past a simple history test before you can vote, nothing about view points, simply history and factual questions about the USA that aren't open to peoples view points or beliefs.
     
  19. Camp David

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    Ok to change this law and Constitution Biker; i.e., birthright citizenship?

    But in the the Patriot Act discussion, Constitution is untouchable?

    Why the difference Biker?
     
  20. Biker

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    The "guard" is not the Constitution, it is, in this case, the people responsible for enforcing our immigration laws.
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  21. Camp David

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    Clarify what you are saying... are you in favor of changing law that guarantees citizenship to those born in America?
     
  22. longeyes

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    It's not about sponsoring them down the road for citizenship, it's about all the welfare payments that the minor is able to pass along to illegal Mom and Dad for all those years. You've got illegals with multiple "American" children. What do you think they are living on? Who do you think is paying for the SUVs I see in the Costco parking lot?

    Camp David:

    Some parts of the Constitution may need some clarification, that's all. Let's apply some common sense.
     
  23. Biker

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    No. The anchor baby problem would be almost non-existant if:
    a) The illegal was prevented from crossing the border in the first place .
    b) If she was able to sneak in, she was rapidly deported upon apprehension.

    I still believe that the Constitution is just fine as is.

    Clear?
    :)
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  24. Camp David

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    Almost...

    Changing what? Current law grants citizenship to any American-born baby; born on U.S. territory... are you in favor of changing this or denying rights under this law?

    Sorry to appear dense... it is an important point...
     
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    Okay, so let's just pretend this goes through. Babies born to illegals are themselves illegal.

    Will that force the illegals out of the country? Nope. They'll still be here. Millions of illegals live in this country and there's no reason to believe they'll just vanish when this goes through.

    Fast forward a few generations, to the birth of a great-grandchild of the original illegal immigrant. That baby's parents have never lived anywhere but America. That baby's grandparents have never lived anywhere but America.

    The great-grandbaby doesn't have citizenship in America. He doesn't have citizenship anywhere else. How could he?

    INS finds out about the birth, but the great-grandbaby doesn't have a country to go "back" to. He can't be deported because he doesn't belong to any other countries.

    Are you folks planning internment camps for the children of undesireables? :barf:

    Or what?

    pax
     
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