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Debate - repeal of the 2a?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by gimlet1/21, Mar 26, 2009.

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  1. gimlet1/21

    gimlet1/21 Member

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    Yesterday I received an e-mail from the 2nd ammendment march site; Tonight March 26th there is a debate coming out of chicago concerning a repeal of our 2a rights. As everyone knows this is where Obama is from we have been asked to call in and support the pro-gun debater. WGN radio AM 720 nation wide/ WGNradio.com 9:00pm 3/26/09

    http://www.wgnradio.com/index.php?option=com_google_maps&Itemid=123

    or cut and paste into address bar. Also anyone interested in 2a rights should be aware of 2ndammendmentmarch.com this is a planned march onwashington w/ Ted Nugget to support our rights!!!
     
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  2. DHJenkins

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    Nothing concerning the debate at the end of that link.

    Who exactly is debating? Are they prominant figures or is this yet another radio ploy to get listeners by "sparking controversy"?
     
  3. Hungry Seagull

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    Aint happening.

    Sparking something? Sure. Must not have too much in way of NEWS these days up there. Every time the wind dies down up yonder, the stink rises.
     
  4. SpecialKalltheway

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    I am all for repealing the 2nd amendment actually. I just want it replaced/modified with another amendment that states the Felons and those with violent misdemeanors do not have the right to bear arms. I think that would be a great win for us. First it just solidifies most state laws that are already on the books and secondly we can say "see we defined it! If I'm not a felon or have a violent misdemeanor then you have no right to restrict my guns."
     
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    Not a good idea. You assume if the 2nd amendment were modified or replaced with another that it would come out good for us. IMO, it is more likely to come out 600 pages long, and only politicians, the elite and the government could own guns.

    Plus, I am a bit of an extemist when it comes to the 2nd amendment. Once one is released from prison, your rights should be FULLY restored. If the person is too dangerous to be trusted with a gun, then why are we setting them free in the first place?
     
  6. DHJenkins

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    What if they're on probation or parole?

    Just because they're not confined doesn't mean they've paid their debt.
     
  7. PTK

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    I fully support a repeal of the entire Bill of Rights. Pesky things get in the way of proper governmental fixing of all our problems, right? ;)
     
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    Because the system doesn't have the capacity to keep people incarcerated for their actual sentences, forget how long we THINK they should stay in jail. The Constitution allows for the removal of rights with the DUE PROCESS OF LAW.

    I don't want ANYTHING in The Constitution modified.
     
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    Aren't those really the same people?
     
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    With all due respect, this is an extremely stupid idea, repealing the 2nd Amendment and replacing it with something MORE restrictive. You will gain nothing and lose a lot from attempting to appease the anti crowd.
     
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    For anti-s that don't recognize the validity of the 2A as it stands, they're not going to respect it any more after this kind of revision.

    Parker
     
  12. gimlet1/21

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    this is the full page with a link. Bob Levy chairman of CATO Institute is defending. Hosted by Milt Rosenberg? I don't know these people, yet I trust the site. Check it out

    http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/
     
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    I'm ok with amending it. Just add "...so don't even try or we'll put you in prison" to the end of it. :)
     
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    I think it should be changed to "Every law-abiding American citizen has the unrestricted right to keep and bear arms for any lawful purpose, including (but not limited to) hunting, defense, and recreational shooting. Said arms shall not be restricted as to type, nor shall restrictions be placed on quantities of arms that can be purchased or type or amount of ammunition that may be posessed."

    Or something along those lines...:D
     
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    As our last president said, the Constitution is just a GD piece of paper.
     
  16. Jeff White

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    I'm listening now....
     
  17. SpecialKalltheway

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    I love how most pro 2A's will bash on the anti's for being emotional and irrational, but when it comes to suggesting to fine tune the 2A the pro 2A's get all emotional and stop thinking.

    I did not say lets change it with 600 pages long or to add anything that denies the rights of law abiding gun owners. The antis seek to pass unconstitutional laws because they know they cannot get rid of the 2A. If we worked with them to change it to restrict the right to people who have not committed felonies and/or violent crimes(something that is done already) then we would have a victory b/c it would say that the right is not for individuals that have done these things once again applying the word individuals to the 2A
     
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    I think that once a person has done his time then all his rights, including 2a, should be reinstated.
     
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    I am fine with the idea that people should get a second chance. we can throw that in the wording that felons and violent criminals that show that they are worthy to have their record expunged get their rights back.
     
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    Exactly. The felon part of the law is useless anyway. If a person wants to get a firearm they will. No law will stop that.

    All it does is stop some decent people from protecting themselves.
     
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    Leave the amendment alone - its worked for how many years? As to convicts - IF the crime was committed with a gun, no more 2A rights. If it were any other crime, give him his 2nd A rights back. JMHO, as always.
     
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    alright.. so, I am not at all for the idea of changing the 2a, but I consider myself open minded, so if there was some new language to make no doubts about it (not sure how it is unclear now, but just for the sake of those who say it is unclear) then I see no problem with that.... BUT, I dont care how much time someone spent in prison, whose ass they kissed or whatever else they did to PAY THEIR DUES, the moment you decide to do something severe enough to have your rights taken, you should live with that decision. I can concede that perhaps certain crimes (sissy crimes) could be revised, but that is just about as far as I am willing to compromise... if you robbed, raped, murdered, assaulted, battered, ... you did so with all your freedoms and rights intact, then taxpayers paid for your meals, utilities, work out equipment, television (with cable) and everything else... so you can add robbery to your initial charge. They should lose their rights for the duration of their lives, which, in many cases should be quite brief.
     
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    I follow you but what about a guy that is coming off of a 15 year sentence for killing a guy that was raping his wife when he got home. Why shouldn't he have the right to have a firearm now for doing what anybody on this forum would do. Laws were different back then. Allot of people went to jail for this very thing.
     
  24. SpecialKalltheway

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    anti's don't go after the 2A b/c they know they will get shot down. If we are truly the majority as long as we can convince those afraid of an amendment b/c they irrationally think that it will be a loss of our right that the support to amend the constitution will only be for one that doesn't take away our rights, then we could clarify the 2A for all those that for some reason think it's hazy.
     
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    It is what it is, and as long as I draw breath, it will stay EXACTLY what it is. I hope the rest of you really feel the same. There is really nothing to debate here, because I think any of us would probably die to defend it just the way it is. If I am wrong, please let me know and I will immediately label you a poser, troll, phony, fair weather patriot.......Do these words spark any emotion amongst you? "FROM MY COLD DEAD HAND"
     
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