Defective Taurus 24/7 AD's Everytime! (video)

Found this video online and thought you guys would like it. Pretty scary...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a84_1395261848

 

I always thought the 24/7 was one of their better models. That is scary.

 

Video is from last year, when the Brazilian Police (PMSP) recalled 98,000 .40S&W Taurus PT-24/7 DS pistols due to the issues shown in the video.

 

That gun looked like it was used to barbecue a chicken with.

 

The issue was two-fold. First, a lot of the pistols had sloppy frame to slide fit which allowed the striker to slip off the sear. Second, the magazines had very generous tolerances which, combined with the sloppy slide fit, would allow the top round to slide forward while the slide was closed. Certain JHP bullet shapes would press on the firing pin block safety enough to disable it.

Combine the two and you have a problem.

 

Makes me wonder about my Taurus PT-145 Millennium Pro. I've certainly never had a problem like this but I think I'll check it out and do some testing. The 24/7 was built as a replacement for the PT-145 because it had been a popular gun. But it was looking pretty weird to sell a gun with the word "Millennium" in the name several years past the turn of the century. Anyone have any idea just how similar they are?

 

Agreed on the striker-fired pistols, I'll keep my 1911 kept in condition one. The gun in the video not only fired when it wasn't supposed to, it jammed.

I had a 24/7 that functioned fine but was completely inaccurate.

 

Yikes!

I considered purchasing one of these about the same time the video was shown.

That is scary stuff. Wow. Speechless.

 

I wonder what prompted the recent resurfacing of this video. I remember it from last year and have seen it pop up in several places the last couple days

 

If it was as totally bad as all that wouldn't people have been killed by them by now? Those things have been around for about 10 years. Clearly something is wrong with the gun in the video but I wonder if someone with an anti-Taurus grudge might be doctoring that gun. My PT-145 has never had the slightest glitch through at least 1000 rounds. I know that Taurus has a rep of letting some real clunkers out the door and too often. But this is incredibly bad. This is the kind of thing that would end a company.

BTW this story is about 6 months old. Are there any updates on the situation? The original story on this (at least the earliest web site reference to it on TheFirearmBlog says that Taurus (the Brazil version, not the US version) would be investigating the issue. Have they ever issued a response to this problem? And from what I read in the comments section from people that live in Brazil is that Taurus is known to sell inferior products there compared to what they export.

I'm not saying there is no problem. I've seen Taurus create problems for themselves. But I would like to have more current info here and more complete info. It's easy to discredit a company if you want to do it. I would just like to see evidence that didn't happen here. For example I could find no information anywhere on this subject except what is based on that video and the mentioned recall. Wouldn't this be bigger news if it was as bad as they let on in the video? I have seen no news of this in any gun magazine or anywhere outside blogs and forums and the original source of the story (they claim an exclusive on the story at SBT Brasil). That sounds fishy to me. Wouldn't there be other reports of this in more established news outlets?

People are reporting this as fact even though it has one source and it's a source I've never heard of. If this was happening in the US I can't imagine it not being big news. Color me skeptical.

I just have a lot of questions. Chief among them is how does a gun designed the same way other guns are designed develop such a bad problem?

 

Yet another masterpiece from the legendary Taurus.

 

I don't see a problem. It is just a new technique... shake firing! Saves you all the hassle of having to extend your finger and pull the trigger, just give it a good shake and BANG.

 

A defective Taurus? Say it ain't so! Who could believe a bargain basement Brazilian gun maker would ever produce a defective gun? Next thing you know people will be saying Yugo made crappy cars!
But don't worry, just send it back and they'll fix it. And then you can send it back again a few weeks later, and then again. Sooner or later you'll get sick of shipping it and you'll do the gun world a favor and toss it in lake.

 

I see 3 posts in a row that are nothing but brand bashing. Do you guys realize that Springfield, S&W, Glock and pretty much every gun maker under the sun has had recalls? I'm not saying Taurus hasn't made some junk. But to single them out sounds more like group think than logical thinking. Let's talk about the original AR's. Does anyone think they have upgraded their reputation from "poodle shooter" to maybe the best battle carbine around? You do know they had serious problems with those rifles jamming when they were first deployed, right? I wasn't there but there were reports of US soldiers picking up AK's and using them over their GI issued M-16. Brand bashing is a funny business. I've seen guys who go from one week asking the most basic type of newbie questions to being an instant expert a week later giving advice to other newbies as if they were old pros. What were they bashing? Remington 870 shotguns. Yeah they knew what they were talking about. 2 guys had problems with their Express models rusting because (big surprise here) they stored them in foam cases. You can't do that with any weapon. But those 2 guys convinced hundreds that the Express was a rust magnet. That's really funny considering I've had one for almost 10 years and it doesn't have a speck of rust on it.

Does anyone have "any" information that didn't come from that one blog? Are they brand bashers too? That's what I'd like to know because I learned not to follow the herd all the time.

 

Problem is, someone will see that video and swear never to buy a Taurus, ever. While the video is compelling, my brother has personally witnessed a fellow officer's Glock 23 go full auto during quals....Twice. The gun simply had a mechanical malfunction. My brother still loves, and has complete faith, in his Glocks.

 

I own a 24/7 G2 and haven't had any issues like the problem the São Paulo pd had . If I remember right, the issue was worn internals .

 

If you use the Taurus 24/7 for CCW on condition one, just be careful not to hit any speed bumps or pot holes, and you should be ok.

 

Right. Everyone join in on the Taurus bash fest. Lets all ignore the large number of issues other gun makers have had lately.

Springfield XDS pistols could slamfire or fire from racking the slide. No big deal.

High quality S&W Shields that damaged their own drop safety function under normal use. No big deal.

Ruger SR22 with an automatic disassembly feature that flings your slide into the dirt when the takedown button fails? All good.

Beretta Neos that can fire with the safety on? Hey the company is taking care of it so who cares?

Kimber Solo that can fire with the safety on? Meh.

Bad run of Taurus pistols of any make/model? Taurus pistols suck! Who would buy their garbage pistols?!?

All manufacturers put out guns with issues, even ones considered to be high quality. Taurus filled a very large order of handguns and quite a few of them were defective, which they acknowledged and recalled. Several of the recalls listed above were just as dangerous and yet there is almost nobody whining about them.

 

If all the Ruger recalls of the last ten years were posted here, I wonder if we'ed hear the same posts...

Vaquero anyone?? the brand new American?? SR9?? SR22?? LCP?? M77?? Single Six?? P85?? GP100??
"Old Model" (pre-1973) Single Six, Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk, or Bearcat Revolvers??
New Bearcat Convertible Revolvers??
Recalls on EVERY ONE.

And that's not even counting the lousy 1022T's that went out in 2009...but no recall,
as lousy accuracy in a target rifle doesn't warrant a recall...just a refund.

 

Taurus had a recall of a production run of a particular model that shows defects in the field?

That never happens with other makers (either production runs that show problems in the field or recalls of defective production runs)? What became of jokes about the S&W Stigma of years past?

What's the back story on the procurement of the "98,000 Brazilian Police (PMSP) .40S&W Taurus PT-24/7 DS pistols"? I have heard and read tales that the quality of Brazilian firearms depends on when they were made for whom based on price point dictating QC.

 

Yeah I've heard that the guns made in Brazil for Brazil are waaay worse than the exports because Americans are a lot more strict about their guns than the Brazillian police. The people saying that were from Brazil on another forum.

 

A defective Taurus? Say it ain't so! Who could believe a bargain basement Brazilian gun maker would ever produce a defective gun? ... ....and then again. Sooner or later you'll get sick of shipping it and you'll do the gun world a favor and toss it in lake.

Shipping it back, GLocK did one better then that. GLocK assembled a team and sent them to NYPD to repair...I believe it was...let me think...18000 pistols? Maybe a wee bit more. And the jammed paperweights actually happened while ON DUTY. I don't exactly remember the story that was 12+ years ago

GLocK did the right thing, fixed it, mod'ed the design, moved forward...like every other manufacturer. Even Taurus...

 

Over the years I have come into possession of three Taurus guns. Two revolvers and one semi auto. All three were unshootable pieces of crap. Timing issues, stretched top straps, broken internals, magazines that fell apart, etc. absolute crap!
I got them from friends who were sick of them. I would never have spent a dime on them.
Cheap, off brand guns like taurus are like buying cheap, off brand parachutes or climbing ropes, or scuba gear etc. are you going to trust your life to some inferior piece of crap just to save fifty bucks?
I'd like to know of just one police department, military unit, swat team, tactical unit, etc that carries a Taurus. Guess what? You ain't gonna find one.
Maybe some jerkwater town policia in the mountains of Bolivia, but not in a first world country.
Taurus = junk.