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Defensive Ammunition 101

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Dave McCracken, Aug 14, 2011.

  1. Snowdog

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    I used to go back and forth between #4B and 00B, but have decided to split the difference and settle with #1 buck.

    I stocked up on XB121 (Winchester's 2 3/4" #1B 16 pellets, 1250 fps) and have promised myself never to look back.
    They pattern well from both my Mossberg 500s and my 590.

    I still play around with other options, but these are my go-to for defense.
     
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  2. Danoobie

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    But, they also lay bare the myth of shot spreading to the point of not having to aim accurately.
     
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  3. Blkhrt13

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    Anyone who's ever hunted with a shotgun or even done a turkey shoot knows that.
     
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    The only way to not aim is a claymore.
     
  5. lemaymiami

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    Yes, with 250 steel bearings a claymore mine is like a giant shotgun blast - but it still has to be aimed when put in place.... Where I was, all those years ago, mechanical ambushes were a big part of small unit stuff. No matter how many claymores in use each one had to be aimed to get results.....
     
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  6. Blkhrt13

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    See even there
     
  7. If1HitU

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    The ammo I use for my HD is 9 pellets 00 Buckshot.
     
  8. Shae1324

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    The AR is there as well, scatter gun stays loaded also though. I do keep my M1911A2 on the night stand as well, the idea being that my wife will take the 1911 and move to the kid's room if there is no contact in the hallway. The SG is Custer's last stand. Over penetration is a very real concern though, especially for me, the neighbors are less than twenty feet from the outside wall where contact is most likely to occur.
     
  9. John Joseph

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    I think it is too easy to over complicate things.
    Any Buck shot 00 to 4B will suffice. Both have been issue items for LEOs and military for decades.
    It would be highly unlikely that a Buck shot wound at close range will not stop an attack.
     
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  10. fjblair

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    Over thinking and hand wringing is common on gun forums, and it seems that shotguns are no exception it seems.
     
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  11. Garandimal

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    12 Gauge Federal Flite-Control Wad - LE132-1B



    Shaped charge Grenades.



    GR
     
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  12. beeb173

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    Does the video “Bird shot in your home defense shotgun” by Paul Harrell, change anyone’s mind?
     
  13. JamieC

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    Just watched that video, VERY interesting, not sure I'll pull all my #1 buck out of the shottie and load with bird shot, but certainly within home defense ranges, hitting even the most determined bad guy with a load of bird shot will probably get him to consider going away and doing something else with his/her time! I would imagine the larger bird shot, turkey loads would certainly suffice in a pinch.
     
  14. cheygriz

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    I load my Benelli M-4 with 3 inch magnum 00, 15 pellets.
    Before I retired, I carried 2 3/4 inch 12 pellet loads in a Remington 1100 in the patrol car.

    Certainly 9 pellet is adequate, but when something better is available, why not use it?
     
  15. Merle1

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    "probably" isn't good enough for me! :what:
     
  16. RetiredUSNChief

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    Meh.

    My defense isn't based on the probability the bad guy MIGHT reconsider his actions and leave. It's based on STOPPING the bad guy regardless.

    If, somewhere along the line, said bad guy decides to reconsider and leave? More power to him.
     
  17. beeb173

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    Based on that video, buck shot appears irresponsible for apartment dwellers.
     
  18. 2zulu1

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    A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since this thread began in 2011, some of whom are no longer with us, but they have left positive and insightful memories.

    I still live way out in the high desert and still have the FNHSLP pictured on the first page, still loaded with Federal flight control OO buck. Outside of mountain lions and black bears, which really aren't a threat concern, are feral hogs, some very large...yup, we have them in this part of Arizona. Home invasion along the International border can, and has been a concern, more so with us older, white hair types. A red dot optic on the FNH, combined with the flight control ammunition, makes for precision shots from a shotgun at home defense conditions/ranges. 8+1 of gas operated OO buck is a sight to behold against barriers, including furniture and door frames. Haven't tried this combination against any sized hogs, but it should work well with accurate shots within range.

    The biggest difference I can see between OO buck and #4 buck, besides pellet size and number, is that the flight control at home distances spreads after impact, while #4 buck spreads before impact. No way to predict, but OO buck may perform better on a lateral shot engagement angle against large felons. I'm not a large person, out of shape linebacker build, but there's a 14" distance between arm/shoulder and heart. I have #4 buck that can be used if needed, but first choice is flight control OO buck, it's earned its reputation as a fight stopper in military and LE usage, but it does have its limitations, IMHO. :)

    This is the short version...
     
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  19. entropy

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    No. I knew a guy in school who shortly after graduation stuck an 870 under his chin and fired. He had birdshot in it, and it took him two extremely agonizing weeks to die, and faceless. many ER Dr's and nurses will tell you of people walking in ambulatory after taking a load of birdshot to the thorax or abdomen, and walking out the same day. I shoot Trap with an ER nurse, and she says birdshot is the last thing she'd shoot someone with.
    A box of five or ten buckshot is cheap enough to leave no excuse to use birdshot. Buy the ten round box, shoot a couple to pattern and get the feel, fill the mag tube, and you're set.
     
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  21. John Joseph

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    Back at the Academy in the early 1980s we only worked with three 12 gauge loads:
    00 Buck for fightin'
    Slugs for breaching
    No.9 for "herding" mobs.

    For targets at long range, Federal Flite control is the bees knees----uber tight patterns at 25 yards----but unlike LEOs, those aren't the SD ranges a home owner is going to encounter..
    For SD I keep a box of 00 Buck on hand either 15 round Winchester Valupacks from back when Walmart had them, or Estates in a 25 round box. Both reliable and both devastating
     
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  22. Jeb Stuart

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    Agree 100 Percent. How about a touch of Reality. Here is a picture of a friend of mine's Sister, Husband and kids that all went through a Horrible, Heinous death from a Home invasion of two thugs. All dead. And you want to wound or prevent death when a intrusion happens? Seriously?
    The attack happened in Richmond Virginia. A number of stories about this. And to add insult, the bleeding hearts of this world, felt sorry for the Killers.

    This is Reality ALL BUTCHERED


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  23. paulsj

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    More recent casualty was father of tree and military veteran gunned down at a local Wawa.:( He was shot for his vehicle. This was a random act that could happen to anyone.
     
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