Defensive shooting with hot loaded ammo

[Justin]

How easy or hard is it to do things like double taps and Mozambique drills with heavily recoiling rounds like .450 SMC or .40 Super?

Does a particular load that has siqnificant recoil cause your splits to go down? Is the extra velocity worth trading off for the ability to make quick follow-up shots?

 

[1badmagnum]

the heavier longer barreled versions will let you take the quickest second shots,the hotter loads cause more muzzle flip,so second shots take a second longer to reaquire the target.

 

[mete]

It has always been very difficult to get the point across that bullet placement is by far the most important thing. Using a more potent cartridge or the hotest +P+++ loads will not substitute for placement. A 40 with premium ammo is as good as you can get, hotter loads will increase your times and enlargen your groups.

 

[Justin]

It has always been very difficult to get the point across that bullet placement is by far the most important thing.

I've been shooting bullseye pistol for nigh on 3 years. I am well aware of how important shot placement is. My question is for those with more experience in 'magnum' style autoloader cartridges than I have.

In other words, let's start from the assumption that I know how to put a bullet where I want it to go.

 

[cratz2]

I don't know that I've ever really compared mild to light rounds, or more specifically, strong to much stronger rounds. The lighter the round, the quicker you can shoot it accurately or else all the top competitors wouldn't try to get by with the weakest possible loads that meet the requirements for whatever they're doing.

To me, a heavier bullet at a lower velocity is easier to get back on target quickly than a faster, zippier one that has more muzzle flip. I'm sure most shooters will share this experience. I have no trouble keeping my Springfield on target with double taps at 15 yards with 200 Gr Gold Dots or 230 Gr Golden Sabers but 115 Gr CorBons in my Taurus, I feel less confident. They're still pretty well on target, but I'm quicker with the 1911.

If I may ask, why are you wanting to do double taps with such a strong load? Usually the considerably stronger than standard loads are for hunting or at least longer range shooting where an instant follow up shot isn't needed.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

You know, I can't recall ever seeing anyone do double takes with a .454 or .44 mag, unless you consider a double tap to be shots about 1+ seconds apart.

 

[HSMITH]

Just for fun I did some double taps with a DE 44mag. They were well inside of a second and easily controlled. The DE is a puppy though in 44 mag compared to anything else with the same loads, from the ballistics of the 460 Rowland and ones like it I don't think they are going to be so easy. Some of them sound downright nasty for a non-gas non-4 pound gun.

45acp and 357 is plenty for me in the defense of my life. Any more power would not be needed or wanted.

 

[sm]

.480 ruger (in of course the Ruger gun)
.44mag (model 29)

doable

 

[Standing Wolf]

Double taps from a snub-nosed .357 magnum revolver take lots of practice; the three most critical factors, however, remain bullet placement, bullet placement, and bullet placement, in my opinion.

 

[Justin]

If I may ask, why are you wanting to do double taps with such a strong load?

Right now, just call it academic curiosity. I've developed an interest in high velocity rounds, like the 7.62x25mm Tokarev. For some reason, rounds like the .450 SMC seem really interesting in that you're kinda getting the best of both worlds, ie big bore round, but really smokin' velocities.

I've never shot any hotly loaded big bore rounds, and I'm just curious as to how controllable they are.