Jackal
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Easy answer. All Guns! They can all be used to assult someone, so why not just ban them all? Hell, why not ban pencils to, since they can be used as a weapon in an assult.
Define "Assault Weapon"
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Quintin Likely
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Perhaps you misinterpreted what I typed.
I'm all for all firearm owners. I own a few "assault weapons," evil looking AR15s and high capacity semi automatic shotguns.
My original point was that the term "assault weapon" is stupid. It's a dumbass term used by the media and politicians to scare the general population and to justify restricting certain firearms just because of how they look.
I think things overall for shooters of all genres would become a lot easier if the ignorant didn't use the term "assault weapon" for something like an AR15 (considering that it technically doesn't mean the requirements for the definition of an "assault rifle," lacking select fire capablilty), and just call the durn thing what it is - a rifle.
MrDig
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Assault Weapon, Any implement used in an assault.
From Websters On-Line
Main Entry: 1as·sault Pronunciation: &-'solt Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English assaut, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *assaltus, from assalire
1 a : a violent physical or verbal attack b : a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces c : a concerted effort (as to reach a goal or defeat an adversary)
2 a : a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension of such harm or contact -- compare BATTERY 1b b : RAPE 2
Main Entry: 2assault Function: verb transitive verb
1 : to make an assault on 2 : RAPE 2 intransitive verb : to make an assault
synonym see ATTACK - as·sault·er noun
Now for the Kicker
Main Entry: assault weapon Function: noun
: any of various automatic or semiautomatic firearms; especially : ASSAULT RIFLE
Main Entry: assault rifle Function: noun
: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use
From Websters On-Line
Main Entry: 1as·sault Pronunciation: &-'solt Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English assaut, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *assaltus, from assalire
1 a : a violent physical or verbal attack b : a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces c : a concerted effort (as to reach a goal or defeat an adversary)
2 a : a threat or attempt to inflict offensive physical contact or bodily harm on a person (as by lifting a fist in a threatening manner) that puts the person in immediate danger of or in apprehension of such harm or contact -- compare BATTERY 1b b : RAPE 2
Main Entry: 2assault Function: verb transitive verb
1 : to make an assault on 2 : RAPE 2 intransitive verb : to make an assault
synonym see ATTACK - as·sault·er noun
Now for the Kicker
Main Entry: assault weapon Function: noun
: any of various automatic or semiautomatic firearms; especially : ASSAULT RIFLE
Main Entry: assault rifle Function: noun
: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use
SaMx
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an assault weapon is a firearm that looks scary.
skinnyguy
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May sound sarcastic, but it's not
"assault weapon" is any weapon used in an assault. it is NOT necessarily a firearm.
It can be a length of pipe, a chuck of wood, a knife, a screwdriver, an automobile, a hammer, a fire extinguisher, a fishhook, a fingernail, or a paperclip. the list is LITERALLY endless!
if you cause damage to another person with ANY item, regardless of it's size, weight, or percieved lethality, it then becomes an "assault weapon".
"assault weapon" is any weapon used in an assault. it is NOT necessarily a firearm.
It can be a length of pipe, a chuck of wood, a knife, a screwdriver, an automobile, a hammer, a fire extinguisher, a fishhook, a fingernail, or a paperclip. the list is LITERALLY endless!
if you cause damage to another person with ANY item, regardless of it's size, weight, or percieved lethality, it then becomes an "assault weapon".
DoubleTapDrew
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Here's a little insight to the mentality the media uses for guns or gun owners http://www.rkba.org/comment/brown/journalguide.html
Duckster
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! was instructed differently in the Army
I was told that an assault rifle has in enclosed bolt system such as AK47, AK74, G3, M2 (GREASE GUN), M16 SERIES, UZI and etc. Weapons with open bolts like bolt action rifless, M1 GARAND & CARBINE, M14, MINI -14 and etc. are NOT considered Assuault Weapons. As you know Machine guns fall under Assault weapons. This is the way it was explained to me.
I was told that an assault rifle has in enclosed bolt system such as AK47, AK74, G3, M2 (GREASE GUN), M16 SERIES, UZI and etc. Weapons with open bolts like bolt action rifless, M1 GARAND & CARBINE, M14, MINI -14 and etc. are NOT considered Assuault Weapons. As you know Machine guns fall under Assault weapons. This is the way it was explained to me.
DMK
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Whoever told you that was dead wrong. None of it even makes any sense.
Neo-Luddite
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Probably something that fires from the open bolt would be considered an NFA (or has been in practice -- case in point early semi-autro tec-9)--if that is what was being reched for there is some truth that ATF has tended to see firing from the open bolt as a 'pre-curser' to trouble more than any other single feature.:banghead:
"Assault weapon" is giving way to the even more nebulous term (from the Becky Peters crowd) 'Military Grade'. THAT can mean anything you want it to. Avoid both like the plague--they describe nothing for Our purposes.
Carbine and Rifle describe things well enough.
"Assault weapon" is giving way to the even more nebulous term (from the Becky Peters crowd) 'Military Grade'. THAT can mean anything you want it to. Avoid both like the plague--they describe nothing for Our purposes.
Carbine and Rifle describe things well enough.
Limeyfellow
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They had the Clinton defination before he even came in office especially with the 89 ban on foreign imports that became the force behind the 94 ban. It doesn't help that the president, vice president and so on hate these types of weapons in the hands of the public and that people have voted for antigun presidents since at least the 1950s.
crazed_ss
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This is the answer.
Assault Weapon is a made up political term. It's any gun that is that antis think is too evil. There is no consistency. CA's AWB is a perfect example. SKS's w/ detachable mags are banned, but Mini-14's and M1A's arent. Tec-9's and Mac's are banned, but regular semi-auto handguns are perfectly fine. Ruger PC-9 is legal, but a Berretta CX-4 isnt.
An AW is whatever gun the antis think is too deadly.
Rifleman 173
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The "assault rifle" is another liberal 
lie. Rifles carried by soldiers are more of a personal defense tool than one used to assault a target. The only true assault rifle is the 120 mm rifle attached to the turret of an M-1 Abrahms tank. Try to fix a bayonet on that rifle. A tank is really the ideal assault weapon, not a rifle. The only reason why the liberals came up with the phrase of assault rifle was because they wanted a "catch phrase" to use to further their unpopular anti-gun causes. They even made reference that Adolph Hitler was the person who first uttered the phrase in a deliberate attempt to link the rifle to an evil person hoping that the average person would think small black rifle = association with Hitler = bad thing. Research indicates that there is nothing to directly link Hitler with the phrase "sturmgewher" or "assault rifle." So that means that Ted Kennedy, Sarah Brady, et al flat out lied to the American public. 
lie. Rifles carried by soldiers are more of a personal defense tool than one used to assault a target. The only true assault rifle is the 120 mm rifle attached to the turret of an M-1 Abrahms tank. Try to fix a bayonet on that rifle. A tank is really the ideal assault weapon, not a rifle. The only reason why the liberals came up with the phrase of assault rifle was because they wanted a "catch phrase" to use to further their unpopular anti-gun causes. They even made reference that Adolph Hitler was the person who first uttered the phrase in a deliberate attempt to link the rifle to an evil person hoping that the average person would think small black rifle = association with Hitler = bad thing. Research indicates that there is nothing to directly link Hitler with the phrase "sturmgewher" or "assault rifle." So that means that Ted Kennedy, Sarah Brady, et al flat out lied to the American public. Smitty in CT
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Assault can be noun or a verb, it shouldn't be used an adjective like the politicians like to do.
In Connecticut, they have pretty much taken the California AWB and just changed the name...I don't think they even read it.
As Ted Nugent says," The Second Ammendment of our Bill of Rights IS my conceiled weapons permit...period"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo
I'm Weird too!!!
In Connecticut, they have pretty much taken the California AWB and just changed the name...I don't think they even read it.
As Ted Nugent says," The Second Ammendment of our Bill of Rights IS my conceiled weapons permit...period"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo
I'm Weird too!!!
I have done a lot of work on the definition of "Assault Weapon" over at Wikipedia - the online encyclopedia. There is a military definition and a differing public definition that is currently used here in the United States.
Here is the link to the Wikipedia page on the definition of Assault Weapon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
Here is the link to the Wikipedia page on the definition of Assault Weapon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
Fast Frank
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The antis have us all twisted up, don't they? Here we are, arguing and quoting in an attempt to define their lie.
Read this and see the truth:
Regardless of what ANYBODY has said or decreed, the thing that makes a given gun an "Assault rifle" or an "Assault weapon" is INTENT.
Think about it- What makes a target rifle a target rifle? It's the intent to shoot targets and nothing else.
What about a hunting rifle?
Why is my 10-22 a hunting rifle and your 10-22 a target rifle?
Because I intend to hunt with mine and you intend to shoot targets with yours.
Here's why they won't recognize this simple and undeniable fact-
If I buy a rifle that was designed, manufactured, sold, and labeled as being specially made for assaulting somebody, EXCEPT i BOUGHT IT FOR TARGET SHOOTING, Then it is by definition a target rifle.
For the very same reason a fishing pole is not a flag pole, my target rifle cannot be an assault rifle.
Simple, ain't it?
Read this and see the truth:
Regardless of what ANYBODY has said or decreed, the thing that makes a given gun an "Assault rifle" or an "Assault weapon" is INTENT.
Think about it- What makes a target rifle a target rifle? It's the intent to shoot targets and nothing else.
What about a hunting rifle?
Why is my 10-22 a hunting rifle and your 10-22 a target rifle?
Because I intend to hunt with mine and you intend to shoot targets with yours.
Here's why they won't recognize this simple and undeniable fact-
If I buy a rifle that was designed, manufactured, sold, and labeled as being specially made for assaulting somebody, EXCEPT i BOUGHT IT FOR TARGET SHOOTING, Then it is by definition a target rifle.
For the very same reason a fishing pole is not a flag pole, my target rifle cannot be an assault rifle.
Simple, ain't it?
RevolvingCylinder
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Good thing they haven't gone after the battery weapons yet. I still don't see how an AR-15 or a Kalashnikov verbally threatened someone.
OK I’ll chime in on this
Assault Weapon: A combination of words
(assault, the act of doing something bad to someone)
(weapon, an actual object that can cause harm)
Put the two together and point at something scary. (anything you deem scary)
The sheep will cower behind and praise you while you hand out government funds for your agenda.
All the while claming morals are on their side.
Assault Weapon: A combination of words
(assault, the act of doing something bad to someone)
(weapon, an actual object that can cause harm)
Put the two together and point at something scary. (anything you deem scary)
The sheep will cower behind and praise you while you hand out government funds for your agenda.
All the while claming morals are on their side.
benEzra
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According to the gun-control lobby, it is any civilian shotgun that holds more than 3 or 5 rounds, any civilian rifle that holds more than 5 or 10 rounds, or any civilian pistol that holds more than 6 or 10 rounds. Also considered "assault weapons" are any self-loading rifle or shotgun with a protruding handgrip, thumbhole stock, extreme Monte Carlo stock, or muzzle threads, plus any other self-loader they want to ban (Ruger mini-14, M1 carbine).
Those are the definitions that have been put forward in "assault weapon" bans at the Federal level since 1994.
Those are the definitions that have been put forward in "assault weapon" bans at the Federal level since 1994.
History lesson -German language lesson
Sturmgewehr -name given to the MP43/44 series of rifles developed by the Germans in the later half of WWII. Hitler had forbidden further rifle development (as unnecessary), and the rifles were called MP (Maschinen Pistolen -Machine pistols or SMG) in order to be developed. The primary features of the Sturmgewehr were select fire, intermediate power round (more powerful than a pistol, less powerful than standard rifle), and large (30rnd) magazine capacity. The design also incorporated a pistol grip and a straight style stock.
Sturm is a German word that is translated into English one of two ways, either as "Assault" -like a soldier assaulting an objective, or as "Storm", which can be either "storming an objective" or storm, like the weather.
Sturmgewehr - Assault rifle - Storm Rifle
Sturmgeschuetz - Assault gun - Storm Gun (a turretless tank design)
Sturm Abteilung- Assault detachment - Storm Troopers
Sturm Voegel - Storm Bird - nickname given to Me 262 jet fighter
Sturm is used as a confidence inspiring adjective, like we use the term "Tactical" today.
The accepted definition of assault rifle, used by the military and firearms community since the end of WWII is a basic description of the features of the Sturmgewehr, namely select fire, intermediate power cartridge. And nearly all designs after the MP 43 have similar features. The most widely known "assault rifle" is the AK 47.
One could equally well call them "Combat Carbines", but "Assault Rifle" has such an inspiring name, it gets the nod. You have to hand it to the Germans, they know how to create inspiring propaganda. Who else called their heavy tank a "Tiger"!
Anti gunners took the valid term assault rifle, and at first, actually used it correctly, be calling the guns they wanted to ban "semi-automatic assault rifles" (actual assault rifles are legally classed as machineguns in the US, and as such have been under Federal regulation since 1934), but "semi-automatic assault rifle" is a mouthful, and does not lend itself to sound bites, so the changed the term to "assault weapon", which also included certain handguns and shotguns. And, unfortunately, the term has stuck.
I do not accept current dictionary definitions (especially on-line dictionaries) as a valid source for a proper definition. They define words by their popular usage, which (especially in this case) is not an accurate definition.
As written in various laws, "assault weapon" is defined by the cosmetic characteristic, not by design function. Pistol grips, detatchable magazines, bayonet lugs, flash suppressors, etc. define what constitutes a "legal" assault weapon, all of which are actually semi-automatic rifles or handguns. Full auto firearms are not legally assault weapons, they are machine guns.
Rifles firing full power cartridges (.30-06, 8mm Mauser, 7.62x51 NATO, 7.76x54R, etc.) are not assault rifles, but may be assault weapons under the laws. Rifles firing pistol ammo (7.62x25mm, 9mm, .45ACP) are not assault rifles, but may be assault weapons under the law.
Assault Weapon is a term created by legislators at the urging of gun control activists to restrict semi auto firearms that look like military firearms. Nothing else.
No actual assault rifles have ever been affected by assault weapon laws, only civilian legal semi autos. And only those that look like military rifles.
Hope this helps.
Sturmgewehr -name given to the MP43/44 series of rifles developed by the Germans in the later half of WWII. Hitler had forbidden further rifle development (as unnecessary), and the rifles were called MP (Maschinen Pistolen -Machine pistols or SMG) in order to be developed. The primary features of the Sturmgewehr were select fire, intermediate power round (more powerful than a pistol, less powerful than standard rifle), and large (30rnd) magazine capacity. The design also incorporated a pistol grip and a straight style stock.
Sturm is a German word that is translated into English one of two ways, either as "Assault" -like a soldier assaulting an objective, or as "Storm", which can be either "storming an objective" or storm, like the weather.
Sturmgewehr - Assault rifle - Storm Rifle
Sturmgeschuetz - Assault gun - Storm Gun (a turretless tank design)
Sturm Abteilung- Assault detachment - Storm Troopers
Sturm Voegel - Storm Bird - nickname given to Me 262 jet fighter
Sturm is used as a confidence inspiring adjective, like we use the term "Tactical" today.
The accepted definition of assault rifle, used by the military and firearms community since the end of WWII is a basic description of the features of the Sturmgewehr, namely select fire, intermediate power cartridge. And nearly all designs after the MP 43 have similar features. The most widely known "assault rifle" is the AK 47.
One could equally well call them "Combat Carbines", but "Assault Rifle" has such an inspiring name, it gets the nod. You have to hand it to the Germans, they know how to create inspiring propaganda. Who else called their heavy tank a "Tiger"!
Anti gunners took the valid term assault rifle, and at first, actually used it correctly, be calling the guns they wanted to ban "semi-automatic assault rifles" (actual assault rifles are legally classed as machineguns in the US, and as such have been under Federal regulation since 1934), but "semi-automatic assault rifle" is a mouthful, and does not lend itself to sound bites, so the changed the term to "assault weapon", which also included certain handguns and shotguns. And, unfortunately, the term has stuck.
I do not accept current dictionary definitions (especially on-line dictionaries) as a valid source for a proper definition. They define words by their popular usage, which (especially in this case) is not an accurate definition.
As written in various laws, "assault weapon" is defined by the cosmetic characteristic, not by design function. Pistol grips, detatchable magazines, bayonet lugs, flash suppressors, etc. define what constitutes a "legal" assault weapon, all of which are actually semi-automatic rifles or handguns. Full auto firearms are not legally assault weapons, they are machine guns.
Rifles firing full power cartridges (.30-06, 8mm Mauser, 7.62x51 NATO, 7.76x54R, etc.) are not assault rifles, but may be assault weapons under the laws. Rifles firing pistol ammo (7.62x25mm, 9mm, .45ACP) are not assault rifles, but may be assault weapons under the law.
Assault Weapon is a term created by legislators at the urging of gun control activists to restrict semi auto firearms that look like military firearms. Nothing else.
No actual assault rifles have ever been affected by assault weapon laws, only civilian legal semi autos. And only those that look like military rifles.
Hope this helps.
benelli12
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That one made me laugh
Sooooo true though.
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