define liberal, conservative, libertarian

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I've always suspected that thing was nothing more than a neat little gimmick intended to make people think that they are libertarians.
Fix- You'll note that I didn't address the questions within the quiz. I was simply pointing out that a 2d political diagram is more accurate than a straight line. So, whether you think the quiz is rigged or not is quite irrelevant to this discussion.
 
Liberals - likes to help people
Conservatives - likes to help people help themselves
Libertarians - the best of both, I think, with emphasis on common sense (from what little I know)
 
Leftists tell you what to do with your money.
Right-wingers tell you what to do with your personal life.

I figure I'm an adult and I'll make my own decisions about both and vote accordingly. I vote for the best person..sometimes its a Republican, very rarely its a Dem, when possible its a Lib and sometimes it's a blank ballot.
 
Although they seem to mean many things, when I encounter the terms liberal and conservative, I can usually make sense of it by thinking of liberals as tending to ignore the Constitution, wanting to do whatever feels good at the moment. Conservatives on the other hand are more principled and more inclined to be strict about the Constitution.

While this relates directly to how the US Supreme Court Justices are viewed, I find it generally applicable to anyone in government and politics as well as voter alignment. The degree of adherence to principle does make it a continuum across an entire population.

I am of the pragmatic sort but well aware of many principles involved. My desire to have the Second Amendment respected taught me to be a "conservative", as I sense common usage of the term.
 
Liberals,conservativesand libertarians

For the real definitions may I suggest consulting a dictionary rather than the stipulative ones given.
 
Aww, Don, you're taking all the fun out of it!

In the States, the Right (often a bit slow) thinks you're evil, and need a government to tell you what to do. The Left (often a bit evil) thinks you're slow, and need a government to tell you what to do. Libertarians (often a bit argumentative) think you're the government, and can figure out what to do about the slow and evil. ...And hardcore authoritatians, slow and evil, figure thay ought to be tellin' evil, slow folk like us what we should be doing.

The advantage of the Right is, we all know there's evil in the world, and often hope for a big strong broom to sweep it away. The advantage of the Left is, we all know there are slow people in the world, and often wish there was a way to be sure they got the help they need. The disadvantage of Libertarians is, they figure you'll come up with a way to cope with such things on your own, and that scares a lot of folks; and the disadvantage of Authoritarians is, unless you're one of them or do just as you're told, your life is liable to be nasty and short.
It was H. L. Mencken, I think, who suggested that democracy is the notion that the People know best what sort of government they want, and deserve to get it, good and hard. I'm afraid he was right. Gee, I miss the Whigs.

--Herself
 
I can usually make sense of it by thinking of liberals as tending to ignore the Constitution, wanting to do whatever feels good at the moment. Conservatives on the other hand are more principled and more inclined to be strict about the Constitution.

That depends on which part of the Constitution you’re talking about.

~G. Fink
 
Well, if we are quibbling over the definitions, we should read them:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberal

[I find these most interesting:]

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=conservative

[This one is less interesting - most definitions amount to "one who espouses conservatism"]
Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.

It seems to me that conservatives are for the traditional America. Traditional America was not always Constitutional America, but conservatives are not overly troubled by that. Liberal America scares the hell out of conservatives.

Liberals seem "open to new ideas" and I see them as not caring about what the constitution really means, but wanting to find new ways to define rights or interpret the constitution, or, when all else fails, discredit it. They seem to be most interested in some version of fairness or justice (especially "social justice") and I percieve them as focusing more on outcomes.

They seem to not be too worried about how much opportunity people have and they don't seem to excited one way or the other about people who rise above their circumstance - if anything, they seem to find these people annoying because it hurts their ability to point out "injustice".

I actually am pretty cynical and think that most of the power brokers who are liberals are actually communists or dictator wannabe's. I think they find ways to co-opt "causes" that people care about. I think most of the power brokers in liberalism actually hold their followers in contempt.

Conservatives trouble me more recently. Many of them are conservatives because they are good, decent, religious people (interestingly, there is a good sized chunk of liberals who are liberal because they see it as most christian).

Many conservative (but not all) seem to support conservatism because it is aligned with their religious view points. Many believe homosexuality is a sin so they are against gay marriage. Same with abortion and many other hot issues. The problem I have is that many of the views are arbitrary and they often seem interested in only protecting the freedoms they cherish.

As a person with strong libertarian leanings, and as a religious person, I have had to come to terms with the fact that I think people ought to be free to live how they want. I am not big on "drugs", but I believe God created marijuana and opiates and other narcotics. Frankly, if someone in my family had a bad disease (cancer) and needed pot, I would get it.

Ayan Rand was actually an athiest. However, I think I can make a good case for christians being libertarians. God made us free to choose. One thing about christianity is that it calls your actions good or evil not based on what the actual action is, but based on what your intent is.

So many conservatives seem bent on legislating morality - presumably with the intention of coercing people into doing good things and avoiding bad things. Yet, for Christians, the sin is not in the action, but in the heart. And the virtue is not in going through the motions, but in doing right out of a love for what is right.

Does anyone see virtue in donating money to charity at gunpoint? If pornography is illegal, will people cease to lust in their hearts?

My theory is that in a truly free society, Gods great experiment is finally and most gloriously put to test. Without fear of punishment, will man do what is right? To what degree? Suddenly, it is up to us. How many men do not go to prostitutes simply because it is illegal? How many churches have closed their soup kitchens because people are fed by the government?

Finally, I do not think that a completely libertarian society is possible. For many of the same reasons that a completely communist society is not possible. I think it is important to keep pulling in that direction, but even if we woke up to it one day, it would be unsustainable. As soon as a large chunk of people have to live with the unbuffered consequences of their actions, they will form and unionize and rebel and mob and take, etc. Too few people would "benefit" and too many would be out in the cold and those people are the ones who will be looking for a new political philosophy. I can hear it now: "what has liberty done for you lately? has it fed your kids?...etc" And so the liberty is no longer watered, but drowned in blood...

One guy at work says he thinks the whole point of welfare is to placate the poor and hopeless to keep them from "rising up" a la the French Revolution, etc.

Anyway, just some late night musings, eat the meat, leave the bones, as my grand pappy says...
 
I invoke Godwin's Law!
Fix,
It would be silly of you to ask how centralized government could possibly be used to support Nationalism and then cry foul when the Nazi party is brought up.
 
You won't-can't-get a straight answer here

Ukraine,

You're trying to get a simple answer to a very complicated question. Look at Justin's chart for example. It certainly is a lot more illuminating than a simple Left vs Right thought pattern, right? If you look at that, you can see where Kerry is Liberal, Bush is Conservative, but both are Authoritarian-that is, with different emphases, they want to expand Government's intrusion into your life and privacy.

No, you'll find no easy answer. Do a web search. Read the propaganda, er, information that everyone presents about themselves and others. Apply Sturgeon's Rule*. And come to your own conclusions, like we did.

Good luck.



*Sturgeon's Rule: 90% of Everything is Crap.
 
For the real definitions may I suggest consulting a dictionary rather than the stipulative ones given. - don

With distortions in common usage, that may not result in effective communication. What the dictionary says is often not was was intended by use of the terms. I very much enjoy this thread because I have wondered what others take from these terms or what they mean when they use them. Dictionaries tend be archaic, and it has been shown how the meanings have evolved over time, so I am not sure the dictionary should rule. It certainly would help if we all meant the same thing, so I don't dispute the suggestion that there should be an authority for "correct" usage.
 
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Leftists tell you what to do with your money.
Right-wingers tell you what to do with your personal life.

Or, as someone on TV recently said (without realising what he was saying):

"Liberals favour a controlled economy, while conservatives favour a liberal economy."
 
Ukraine,

For one of the best essays I've read on this subject go to:

http://jonjayray.tripod.com/leftism2.html

The piece is called "Political Motivations of Leftists" by a libertarian psychology prof. named John Ray from Australia. It's long, but well worth the read. Particularly where he shows how "liberal and consevative" is used by Rightists and Leftists. Just depends where and when.

"Marxists, leftists, communists, socialists, liberals, modern DNC".........I like to use Jefferson's description of them: "Collectivists".
 
I've heard it expressed like so:

Liberals (Democrats) want government to be your mother.
Conservatives (Republicans) want government to be your father.
Libertarians will treat you like an adult.

:p
 
Modern leftists are communists. Read the line in my sig for a little bit more information, and if you really want to know more (and learn about truly conservative views at the same time) read "Death of the West" by Pat Buchanan.

Buchanan is a true conservative, not some.....whatever....that Bush is. Bush is semi-conservative, but definitely not a true conservative.
 
conservative is towards individual freedom.

*eye-roll*

Libertarians have an unfounded ideology.

The only real things are Objectivists or classical liberals/neo-liberals.

That's not necessarily true--there are many Libertarians who came that way through the Objectivist path or some other way. The Party itself does not espouse a particular philosophy from which the Non-Aggression Principle can be derived, however.
 
Liberals,conservatives and libertarians

Herself ...I stand properly chastised. Pendragon what has religion to do with the topic at discussion? The United States is not nor has it ever been a christian nation or linked to any religion. Conservatives,liberals and libertarians all have people of various belief systems.
 
Liberals (Democrats) want government to be your mother.
Conservatives (Republicans) want government to be your father.
Libertarians will treat you like an adult even when you act like a child
 
Drjones

Modern leftists are communists.

I was looking at some (self declared) Communist party's web site recently, and they accused the US Democrats of being part of "the Bourgeois Capitalist Elite". :)
 
I was looking at some (self declared) Communist party's web site recently, and they accused the US Democrats of being part of "the Bourgeois Capitalist Elite".

The Democrats' philosophies are based on marxism and cultural marxism.

Dems are actually more dangerous than open communists because people fail to recognize the danger; they are true wolves in sheeps' clothing.
 
I've heard it expressed like so:

Liberals (Democrats) want government to be your mother.
Conservatives (Republicans) want government to be your father.
Libertarians will treat you like an adult.

Well I've heard it expressed this way: Libertarians want to kill mommy and daddy so they can stay up late, eat junk food and watch too much TV.

Seriously, I think that while many of its individual positions are liberal, overall libertarianism is basically a conservative ideology in the sense that it resists change.
 
I vowed not to get involved with politics when I was a kid but I find that harder to do nowadays heh.

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."

- Plato
 
Well I've heard it expressed this way: Libertarians want to kill mommy and daddy so they can stay up late, eat junk food and watch too much TV
Heh. Spoken as someone who truly "knows what's best".
 
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