Democrats pushing AWB with Confiscation

[Charlie Horse]

That's the question. I honestly don't think there is a way other than making sure they don't the get power to enact it. For those in office, the trick is to show them it would be politically suicidal. That isn't likely to happen in places like NYC, but maybe in some places where they are still listening to the electorate. (Blue incumbent, red state.)

The good news is that they are already backing down from the mag and AW bans. The problem now is the background check silliness.
The solution to this is that the government can't fix the problem. We have people who are either mentally ill, or just plain ole evil. There is no way to make sure bad\crazy people don't do bad things. If we want to fix the problem of addiction, violence, or anything else, we need to change the heart\mind, not the hardware. At this point, we are SO woefully behind, we've got plenty of trouble coming.

 

[LiveLife]

If they really wanted to stop the killing of innocent, then they should ban cars as automobile accidents kill far way more lives.

How about drunk driving? Good grief ... and alcohol is still legal.

When is the government going to ban swimming pools to prevent innocent drownings?

Let's be real.

There are bigger fish to fry IF they were truly honest about saving innocent lives.

Give me a break. Some people bumped their heads.

Vote people. Vote for your gun rights/2A in 2020 and send a clear message to the antis ... behind the smokescreen of "concern for lives" ... they just want to take away our guns.

 

[Charlie Horse]

Vote people. Vote for your gun rights/2A in 2020 and send a clear message to the antis ... behind the smokescreen of "concern for lives" ... they just want to take away our guns.

You're on the right track, but voting is the end, not the beginning. We need to all be involved with politics at the local level. Can you imagine what would happen is both major parties had 10-15 gun owners show up to their county meeting and say that they want no more politically motivated gun control? Some of us are going to need to run for office. In a place where both candidates are anti-gun, we can't vote our way out of this.

If we're really going to win this, it will be neither quick, cheap nor easy. Its going to require sacrifice, and beaucoup time, not to mention money, to change the political landscape so that we aren't a political football, but a real constituency.

 

[Blnt4rcetrauma]

I’m just going to leave this here.

 

[LiveLife]

And I am going to leave these here. More at this thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/re-training-of-firearms-related-information.849620/


Prager U: What Should We Do About Guns? (Gun confiscation won't work in USA)




Prager U: Pulse - Gun Ownership (Changing and current sentiment regarding guns)




Prager U: Is Gun Ownership a Right? (How about a little review of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights - Including the "Militia")

 

[LiveLife]

And these. The antis have been busy.

The Battle Against Gun Control I-1639




Did the Assault Weapons Ban Work? | Gun Control Debunked




"NowThis" Gun Control Video Debunked

 

[Charlie Horse]

Prager U runs some really good stuff. The only problem I have with them is after I see one of their videos, I want to hunt down more and more of them and before you know it, I've blown an hour.

I was thinking, and this is the theorist in me, that what we need is an informed, educated population, especially the legislators voting on these things. I watched Raymond Arroyo talk about UBC tonight on Laura Ingram's show, and it was clear he had no idea what he was talking about. I don't think he was be devious, just ignorant. Too many people simply don't know the technological issues about guns. (Shoulder thing that goes up anybody?) Now, if we knew that everybody DID know better, it'd be much easier to pick out those who were simply lying to disarm us. The older I get, the more I'm afraid that the liars are a higher percentage...

 

[LiveLife]

Prager U runs some really good stuff.

Believe me, it's not just Prager U. Here's a video by "The Young Turks", a liberal Youtube channel.

I somehow get the sneaking suspicion that this "in you face" push by the antis is going to backfire on them, by gun toting liberals.

Here's one video from my thread - What will the antis tell the gun toting liberal LGBTQ?




And by ABC News

In the Liberal Gun Club, these members support both the left and gun rights




And "The Young Turks" again highlighting NBC reporting minorities are becoming gun owners




How about young millennials black females becoming gun owners and starting their own organization/movement.




And we can't leave out women becoming gun owners.

 

[LiveLife]

And we even have "Black Guns Matter" inner city/urban movement that has gone national - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lated-information.849620/page-2#post-11092871

For these gun owners, self defense and gun rights/2A is a daily necessity.



Ben Shapiro and Piers Morgan on guns - Ben talks of 2A being protection against tyranny of government and how his grandparents and great grandparents experienced tyranny of government during WW2 as Jews.

 

[Jammersix]

But this time, let's elect someone who supports the constitution.

 

[Spats McGee]

Hey now, let's not get sidetracked.

We were talking about Democrats pushing for gun confiscation. Let's stay on that topic.

And what are we going to do to prevent that from happening?

Yes, please.

A good read once you navigate the subscription notice popup. The NYT reader comments are almost more interesting than the article. You get the distinct sense of us/them and people believe the government already knows or should know where/who all the gun owners are, so simply round them up and take away the bad guns or put them in jail. Truly a bizarre point of view from sheltered people who live in big cities where guns and gun owners are scary, dangerous 'others'. That so many put this type of view in writing is disturbing. Gives a better understanding of how pogroms existed, especially since they seem to be focused on how this is only few million gun owners. Like millions of people is just a statistic blip.

illinoisburt, you make a good point here. I've long said that the pro-gun/anti-gun divide runs laregly along rural/urban lines. If you read the comments, along with the location of the commentators, you can see the correlation. It's definitely us/them, though.

IMHO, there's more to it than the fact that antigunners hate our guns. The one thing they seem to hate as much or more than our guns is us. Eric Swalwell (sp?) had that tweet about how gun owners couldn't survive a war with the gov't because the gov't has nukes. (He tried to walk it back later, but I honestly believe that he was testing the waters to see if the American public has the stomach for another civil war.) Kamala Harris has called for the (completely redundant and useless) ban on the import of ARs. IIRC, Corey Booker has called for buybacks. In short, there's not an antigun platform out there that hasn't been embraced by somebody.

Now is the time to write your Senators and Reps. In 1994, the AWB passed. IIRC, the first subsequent election was an absolute bloodbath. For the next ~20 years, gun control was a 'political third rail.' (Touching it was usually fatal...) It's time to remind Senators and Reps that voting for gun control is a good way to get sent home from DC. If you don't have the time to write actual letters, might I suggest Popvox?

 

[DoubleMag]

Wheww! You FELLOW CITIZENS are all over this! Some commentary...

As for grandfathering, she made remarks that it would have to be done through the NFA registry, and that there would be a ban on any transfers of assault weapons.

Oops Diane! YOU KNOW opening the Registry is considered verboten! Empty rhetoric from a KNOWN died-in-the-wool gun banner (well, except for HER security detail)

In 25 years in law enforcement, I've have never seen due process come before seizing weapons in an emergency, and that's what the president was...

Whaaat? You mean, there's a provision ALREADY within law to remove a dangerous item from a dangerous individual? Whoudda thunk it

If they really wanted to stop the killing of innocent, then they should ban cars as automobile accidents kill far way more lives.

How about drunk driving? Good grief ... and alcohol is still legal.

When is the government going to ban swimming pools to prevent innocent drownings?

Let's be real.

There are bigger fish to fry IF they were truly honest about saving innocent lives.

They're not nor is this the goal. The goal is, 100%++ total gov control of all facets of the American life, or whatever they want to call it after the ''glorious transformation.'' Your salt in foods, sugary drinks, soda straws, where you can or cannot place a flag on YOUR property are but a FEW current examples. And oh yes, allll your firearms.

If we're really going to win this, it will be neither quick, cheap nor easy. Its going to require sacrifice, and beaucoup time, not to mention money, to change the political landscape so that we aren't a political football, but a real constituency.

Oh no! AWW NAWW! U mean, I may not get the new smartphone qPhone45 this year? I might have to forgo a bottle of liquor, or 3 packs of cigs? I might (GULP) have to call my state Reps, Federal Reps?


Isn't there some e a s y way to do...something hard?


Sacrifice a $800 fone, $40 bottle, $18 in cigs towards a GOOD advocacy group of your choice is CHEAP compared to losing outright your expen$ive firearms. Little alone the incalculable
value of grandpa's long gun being handed down generational, or the smile of YOUR children at 1st bullseye with a bolt action .22 (sniper gun! sniper gun! LoL)

Thank yo ufor your time, have a GR8T weekend TAKE A KID OUT SHOOTING

 

[P5 Guy]

I want to ban the automobile analogy.
Yes auto accidents cause more fatalities and injuries. For the most part these are ACCIDENTS not intentional acts of violence. Comparing autos to firearms is a mistake.
Oh and possibly next century no one will be allowed to own an automobile outside of a few wealthy collectors. Look at those pushing the green new deal.

 

[Fyrstyk]

When, and if, weapons ban become law, do you think there will be some "Gun Sanctuary States?" If so, which states do you think they might be?

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Next they'll bring our the nuclear weapons, with Eric Stallwell leading that charge.

 

[Tom Servo]

But at this point, voting against him is the same as attacking the Constitution, since there is no possible candidiate who will support it.

Not necessarily. Ever since 1994, the Republicans have made a big show of opposing gun control when it comes from a Democratic President. I'm seriously considering that as a strategic option next November.

 

[LiveLife]

talking about Democrats pushing for gun confiscation.

And what are we going to do to prevent that from happening?

• For starters, vote for pro-gun/2A presidential candidate in 2020 and that means NONE of the Democrat candidates
• Continue spreading the TRUTH about anti-gun crowd's agenda of gun ban and gun confiscation
• Continue applying pressure to law makers to support pro-gun/2A bills
• Support law makers who continue to draft/write new pro-gun/2A bills
• Continue to engage/dialogue with relatives, friends, coworkers, neighbors and even strangers when advisable to the benefits/necessity of firearms for self defense and protection of family
• Vigorously defend gun rights and the Second Amendment everywhere, even here on THR (verbally/in writing on forums and not by "in your face/because I can" display of open carry)
• Be a good example in public and act sane and reasonable - Take the "High Road" - Lead by example (actions speak louder than words)
• Perform charitable works/Pay It Forward to be the "beacon of light" to create new opportunities for discussion/dialogue about proper/positive/necessary use of firearms
• Whenever opportunity presents itself, offer to take people shooting with you (I "Pay It Forward" all ammunition when I invite people to go shooting with me and PIF/share defensive point shooting training)
• Positively engage/welcome the younger generation of shooters - They are our future supporters of gun rights/2A
• Continue to pursue your hobby/passion of shooting activities (Match/Target shooting, hunting, reloading, etc.) and invite others to try
• Contribute/donate to your choice of pro gun/2A organizations
• Support the "Round Up" campaign for NRA when buying from participating vendors
• Spend money for pro gun/2A causes/activities - There are many out there
• Stop buying coffee at Starbucks and make your own coffee at home. Save the money you would have spent at Starbucks and buy yourself a nice new gun or shooting accessories. (People actually spend hundreds of dollars each month at Starbucks). This person spent over $2,300 a year and you could buy a very nice 1911 or several pistols with that money - https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/14/giv...make-me-17000-dollars-heres-why-i-refuse.html

 

[SharpDog]

• For starters, vote for pro-gun/2A presidential candidate in 2020 and that means NONE of the Democrat candidates
• Continue spreading the TRUTH about anti-gun crowd's agenda of gun ban and gun confiscation
• Continue applying pressure to law makers to support pro-gun/2A bills
• Support law makers who continue to draft/write new pro-gun/2A bills
• Continue to engage/dialogue with relatives, friends, coworkers, neighbors and even strangers when advisable to the benefits/necessity of firearms for self defense and protection of family
• Vigorously defend gun rights and the Second Amendment everywhere, even here on THR
• Be a good example in public and act sane and reasonable - Take the "High Road" - Lead by example (actions speak louder than words)
• Perform charitable works/Pay It Forward to be the "beacon of light" to create new opportunities for discussion/dialogue about proper/positive/necessary use of firearms
• Whenever opportunity presents itself, offer to take people shooting with you (I "Pay It Forward" all ammunition when I invite people to go shooting with me and PIF/share defensive point shooting training)
• Positively engage/welcome the younger generation of shooters - They are our future supporters of gun rights/2A
• Continue to pursue your hobby/passion of shooting activities (Match/Target shooting, hunting, reloading, etc.) and invite others to try
• Contribute/donate to your choice of pro gun/2A organizations
• Support the "Round Up" campaign for NRA when buying from participating vendors
• Spend money for pro gun/2A causes/activities. Yes, stop buying coffee at Starbucks and make your own coffee at home. Save the money you would have spent at Starbucks and buy yourself a nice new gun or shooting accessories. (People actually spend hundreds of dollars each month at Starbucks)

And support, Donate, Volunteer to help the groups fighting for our RKBA

including, but not limited to NRA, GOA, SAF, others

 

[lionking]

• For starters, vote for pro-gun/2A presidential candidate in 2020 and that means NONE of the Democrat candidates
• Continue spreading the TRUTH about anti-gun crowd's agenda of gun ban and gun confiscation
• Continue applying pressure to law makers to support pro-gun/2A bills
• Support law makers who continue to draft/write new pro-gun/2A bills
• Continue to engage/dialogue with relatives, friends, coworkers, neighbors and even strangers when advisable to the benefits/necessity of firearms for self defense and protection of family
• Vigorously defend gun rights and the Second Amendment everywhere, even here on THR
• Be a good example in public and act sane and reasonable - Take the "High Road" - Lead by example (actions speak louder than words)
• Perform charitable works/Pay It Forward to be the "beacon of light" to create new opportunities for discussion/dialogue about proper/positive/necessary use of firearms
• Whenever opportunity presents itself, offer to take people shooting with you (I "Pay It Forward" all ammunition when I invite people to go shooting with me and PIF/share defensive point shooting training)
• Positively engage/welcome the younger generation of shooters - They are our future supporters of gun rights/2A
• Continue to pursue your hobby/passion of shooting activities (Match/Target shooting, hunting, reloading, etc.) and invite others to try
• Contribute/donate to your choice of pro gun/2A organizations
• Support the "Round Up" campaign for NRA when buying from participating vendors
• Spend money for pro gun/2A causes/activities - There are many out there
• Stop buying coffee at Starbucks and make your own coffee at home. Save the money you would have spent at Starbucks and buy yourself a nice new gun or shooting accessories. (People actually spend hundreds of dollars each month at Starbucks). This person spent over $2,300 a year and you could buy a very nice 1911 or several pistols with that money - https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/14/giv...make-me-17000-dollars-heres-why-i-refuse.html

I want to talk about point 7 in your list. While I support open carry for those that want to (I won't do it personally) there are members who have or do sling their AR-15 while shopping or at political rallies to prove a point how it is their constitutional right and make people aware of it. But given the climate of so many going on murder sprees my point of view is doing that is actually bad public relations, most people who aren't bonified gun enthusiasts probably won't thank you for reminding them how slinging a rifle while shopping at Walmart is a constitutional right they probably will consider it grandstanding and in bad taste and may even call the cops thinking you are a maniac

 

[LiveLife]

I want to talk about point 7 in your list. While I support open carry for those that want to (I won't do it personally) there are members who have or do sling their AR-15 while shopping or at political rallies to prove a point how it is their constitutional right and make people aware of it.

I am not a proponent of open carry and "in your face/because I can" display of gun rights.

I will modify my post to clarify. Added - (verbally/in writing on forums and not by "in your face/because I can" display of open carry) to previous post.

And I posted

• Vigorously defend gun rights and the Second Amendment everywhere, even here on THR
• Be a good example in public and act sane and reasonable - Take the "High Road" - Lead by example (actions speak louder than words)

 

[danez71]

I've been very carefully parsing the gun statements of all the candidates, and if you analyze them deeply, there's a lot less there than meets the eye.

You should stop "carefully parsing" thier statements and start taking them on face value.... you might realize there is a lot more than meets the eye.

The statements are designed to look radical to the base Democratic primary voters, but to be able to be walked back / clarified for the general election. This is particularly true of Kamala Harris, whose program basically rehashes existing law.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190802/kamala-harris-and-her-perplexing-anti-gun-ideas.

You couldn't be more wrong IMO, particularly with Kamala. I dont care if your a pol-sci giy or not. I've seen her her whole career. I've lived her career (except when I'm in/live AZ).


You keep bringing up that she says only ban imported AW. Several times you've made a point to bring it to the attention of everyone here.

She says that to sound more moderate to the 2A crowd.... not to appeal to the anti 2A crowd.

She'll drop the word imported when she thinks the time is right.

Shes been been successful by being calculating and conniving from San Fransico DA all the way to being CA's top lawyer.


If you want to keep propping her up then be prepared to have CA gun laws nationwide.

 

[lionking]

I am not a proponent of open carry and "in your face/because I can" display of gun rights.

I will modify my post to clarify.

And I posted

Was putting it out there for those that do.

 

[danez71]

What is this "Taqqiya" thing? I've seen this on other forums too.....

https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

Deception, Lying
and Taqiyya
Does Islam permit Muslims to lie?

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences" or "gain the upper-hand over an enemy"
There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya (the Shia name). These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

 

[Texas10mm]

Don't know where that "appointment" come from, but using that quote shows you don't know how these things work. In 25 years in law enforcement, I've have never seen due process come before seizing weapons in an emergency, and that's what the president was talking about.

Katrina, New Orleans. Ring any bells?

 

[rodinal220]

Make no mistake, the Progressive Center Left types want everything from your Daisy Red Ryder BB gun to your Perazzi shotguns.