Democrats take control of the Senate
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Standing Wolf
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Considering he's used it exactly once in six years, I doubt he's going to have to worry it's worn.
Lol fixed it... my eyes are crossed reading all this political stuff. I think I need to go peruse the recreational/specific forums and stay away from politics for a week. I am in the process of writing tons of letters and I don't want my tone to go militant
Stauffenberg
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CNN is still refusing to call it. I think it's around 8000 votes in difference, with 99% of precincts reporting.
Lone_Gunman
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Bush should be proud. He has single-handedly destroyed the Republican Party.
This is such a fitting, if somewhat sudden, death of Neo-Conservatism.
We are going to have to suck it up for a couple of years and keep pressure on the Democrats (and Bush) to avoid gun bans, but hopefully this will wake up the Republican party, and they will reconnect with their base.
This is such a fitting, if somewhat sudden, death of Neo-Conservatism.
We are going to have to suck it up for a couple of years and keep pressure on the Democrats (and Bush) to avoid gun bans, but hopefully this will wake up the Republican party, and they will reconnect with their base.
cbsbyte
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Bush did not do it alone, nor was it just Iraq. The mulitable corruption charges against the Republicans where a major key for the Dems to take both houses. It also looks there is a major political shift across the country away from Republicans and conservatives.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/923kemje.asp?pg=1
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/923kemje.asp?pg=1
SoCalShooter
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I dont blame this all on Bush, but he has not really helped at all, the republican and Democrat parties have been in decline from liberal infiltration for a long time, they have forgotten what they stand for and what the constitution says and stands for.
Lone_Gunman
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You know, I am not sure I even know what people mean by the word "conservative" any more. If you think Bush is a conservative I would say you are wrong. He is a big-government, big-spending, social conservative who has an aggressive foreign policy, yet is not particularly concerned with defending us here at home. Its an odd combination of goals.
Anyway, I was really hoping the Democrats would take the House or the Senate... I am less enthusiastic that they have taken both.
Anyway, I was really hoping the Democrats would take the House or the Senate... I am less enthusiastic that they have taken both.
xd9fan
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even though the party out of power almost always wins these races.
Bush IS the Bill Clinton of the GOP
Why worry, voting republican is everything and what every gun owner must do. Surely the chief executive, being a republican, would veto any gun control bill and send it back for a supermajority. Unless of course those precious republicans aren't as much our friends as you hope.
MachIVshooter
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Wishful thinnking. He is a puppet and will sign anything that lands on his desk without a second look.
Worst part is, the party that most of us put into power the last six years set the stage for the most unobstructed gun grabbing in history. All they have to do is say "for the sake of national security", and can pretty much get away with anything-including violations of the 4th.
Lets just hope the dems focus on the issues that were responsible for the major change this election, rather than falling back on their bread and butter. They were put in to fix eveything that was screwed up over the last decade, not get back to their old tricks. With any luck, they'll remember that-lest they be reminded in '08.
spartacus2002
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There is so much juvenile testosterone in this remark, it is pathetic.
Bush and the Republicans imploded all on their own, thank you very much.
MountainBear
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Yes, but whos to say that the Democrats or for that matter the republicans won't try to sneek a gun grab under the country's nose while we "concentrate" on the so-called more important issues.
We argue stem cell research and they take away "assault weapons" again. Ye friggin ha. I hate to seem pessimistic, but this country just took about a ten year step backward in the fight to protect gun rights. And guess what...
ITS OUR FAULT.
We argue stem cell research and they take away "assault weapons" again. Ye friggin ha. I hate to seem pessimistic, but this country just took about a ten year step backward in the fight to protect gun rights. And guess what...
ITS OUR FAULT.
Waitone
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Bush has put republicans in a knife fight. Rule one of a knife fight is everyone get hurt. This question is how bad.
I don't see him using the veto pen. I see him cooperating on "bipartisan" legislation to fix persistent problems. I see him forging "a bipartisan concensus" on "immigration reform" (BOHICA kiddies). If Democrats get really stoopid I see Bush giving 'em a hand on "common sense gun control".
Good news is senate republicans are now in a position to fight a rear guard action something they do exceedingly well. Why even Trent Lott is making noise about being in a leadership position.
Another piece of good news we can rest assured that no one from the Bush crime family or anyone associated with the family will be found near the ticket in 08.
I don't see him using the veto pen. I see him cooperating on "bipartisan" legislation to fix persistent problems. I see him forging "a bipartisan concensus" on "immigration reform" (BOHICA kiddies). If Democrats get really stoopid I see Bush giving 'em a hand on "common sense gun control".
Good news is senate republicans are now in a position to fight a rear guard action something they do exceedingly well. Why even Trent Lott is making noise about being in a leadership position.
Another piece of good news we can rest assured that no one from the Bush crime family or anyone associated with the family will be found near the ticket in 08.
They won't have to sneak it this time.
Yes, I was being (Against my nature) wishfull in saying I hope he knows how to use the veto pen. We're talking about the bozo who signed campaign finance reform. Anyone hear NRA ran radio ads before the election this year? Yeah, me neither, thanks W.
Silver Bullet
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Hopefully, those folks here who voted third party will partially make it up to the rest of us by giving an extra large donation to NRA, GOA, SAF, etc.
I don't agree. Most of the Democrates that are now in seats that were held by a Republican are actually much more conservative than the Democratic party as a whole. Tester and Webb are two examples of very conservative Democrats that won (or might win) and there are many others as well. In fact of those Democrats that defeated a Republican only a few are left of center (the national center not the Democratic center). In some cases they are actually more conservative than the Republican they replaced. In addition, many of the Republicans that lost were RINOs who were liberal by Republican standards and in some cases well to the left of the national center. In reality both parties have ended up being more conservative than they were before the election. The Republicans because they now have fewer RINOs and the Democrats because the now have a bunch of middle to right wing (so called blue dogs) new members of Congress and the Senate.
I firmly believe that most voters who switched from voting Republican to Democrat where not thinking about left/right/liberal/conservative when they pulled the lever. I simply do not think this election means much over the longer term as it relates to voters shifting to the left or right simply because that is not what this election was about.
In addition, I think that it will make the Republican party take a long hard look at what happened. Most of the things that drove voters away from them where things that in the past would have been done by Democrats. For example, creating large new entitlement programs, out of control spending, failing to control our boarders and involvement in long lasting foreign wars. Remember the last major war that a Republican got us into a was the Spanish American war (over 100 years ago) and every other major war after that up until Iraq started while a Democrat was in the white house (WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam) .
The truth here is that is was the neo-cons that caused the Republicans to lose power and I firmly believe that neo-cons are not even close to being truly conservative and in fact are nothing more than liberals pretending to be conservative. As a result we had run away spending and long lasting politically correct wars which is what we have typically seen from liberals in the past.
American By Blood
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The neocons are not liberals.
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were liberals in the classical sense. Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich are liberals in the contemporary sense.
None of these people have much in common with the neocons. The philosophical background of neoconservatism is a heady mix of Strauss and Trotsky. There's nothing remotely liberal about either thinker. Trotsky was, of course, a Marxist and Strauss was a conservative in the German sense (which is inimical to the American spirit).
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were liberals in the classical sense. Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich are liberals in the contemporary sense.
None of these people have much in common with the neocons. The philosophical background of neoconservatism is a heady mix of Strauss and Trotsky. There's nothing remotely liberal about either thinker. Trotsky was, of course, a Marxist and Strauss was a conservative in the German sense (which is inimical to the American spirit).
RNB65
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Where you been? That race has been over since about 11PM last night. George just refuses to admit he lost and is going to insist that taxpayers pay for a recount. It's not gonna make any difference, Jim Webb is the new junior senator from VA. He's very pro-RKBA, so it shouldn't be bad as long as he sticks to his principles and votes against new gun control legislation.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Keep posts civil or find a forum more appropriate to vent your spleen.
Stauffenberg
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Indeed. This recrimination is completely juvenile, and what's more, unproductive.
Also, although I supported the second amendment with my vote, I would caution certain people that guns are a major issue, but not the only one. Screaming at people for not voting on gun rights and gun rights alone does nothing to help the public perception of us.
Also, although I supported the second amendment with my vote, I would caution certain people that guns are a major issue, but not the only one. Screaming at people for not voting on gun rights and gun rights alone does nothing to help the public perception of us.
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You guys just don't get it. I'm as second-amendment as any of you and it's guys like me that drove these worthless types out of office.
Religion in my government is much worse than religion in the schools which is bad enough and much more dangerous than a few pesky gun-grabbers.
Bush has no understanding of the Constitution whatsoever and the sooner we can drive him and his American Taliban out of office the better.
Our borders are a sieve and these idiots are worried about who I sleep with every night and if we're married or not. We're losing in Iraq, but these morons have time to make personal life and death decisions on behalf of my family, like they did for Terry Schivo's. I've waited twenty years for the religious right to get it handed to them and it happened last night. It was sweet.
Kowboy
You guys just don't get it. I'm as second-amendment as any of you and it's guys like me that drove these worthless types out of office.
Religion in my government is much worse than religion in the schools which is bad enough and much more dangerous than a few pesky gun-grabbers.
Bush has no understanding of the Constitution whatsoever and the sooner we can drive him and his American Taliban out of office the better.
Our borders are a sieve and these idiots are worried about who I sleep with every night and if we're married or not. We're losing in Iraq, but these morons have time to make personal life and death decisions on behalf of my family, like they did for Terry Schivo's. I've waited twenty years for the religious right to get it handed to them and it happened last night. It was sweet.
Kowboy
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MachIVshooter
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I would wager that 70 million of them don't care if another AWB gets signed into law.
I will take this opportunity to illustrate to you just how much more dangerous the last 6 years of neo-con control have made the gun control issue. Now that we have established only a small portion of gun owners are truly RKBA, we can further reduce that to the number who would actually be willing to fight for the right. I'm bettin' under 5%. With the provisions of the WOT/Patriot acts, it won't be all that hard for them to label those who wouldn't comply with new gun laws as national sescurity threats. Under that guise, they can come into your house and take you weapons legally. If you fight, they will kill you.
Sure, Bush didn't push to renew the AWB. He just set the stage for unlimited government power. Lesser of two evils, huh?
Time to bring the Libertarian party to the front.
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