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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by McKnife, Nov 7, 2007.

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  1. McKnife

    McKnife Member

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    Tried to log on to Guns America to find a good deal on a Beretta 92FS in Texas, but right after I tried, I received a NASTY email stating that my Guns America account has been disabled for trying to keep my private information private.

    “Your account was disabled due to you deliberately filling out the contact information fields with nonsense like "Anonymous" as your street address, etc. I'm sorry, but there is no room for that sort of game playing here. When and if you are prepared to give us valid contact information you can reply to this email with that information. The information will then be investigated for accuracy and if found to be accurate we will enable your account. If it is found you have opened another account with yet more gibberish that account will also be disabled. There is no wiggle room here.”

    This classy lady wanted my full name, strict land line, full physical address and I think they want a credit card on file, not sure though. – All of this information can be accessed by public.

    Needless to say, they lost yet another avid user. GunsAmerica seems to be headed for the toilet ever since their ‘facelift.’ I’ll stick to Gun Broker and/or Auction Arms.
     
  2. browningguy

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    There is actually a reason for wanting to confirm that you are an actual person, but if you don't want to do that then don't play. I don't use them simply because I've never found a good enough deal, but if I did I would register.

    I don't think you should be denigrating her for wanting you to provide the information they require to register. You made a decision to provide the wrong information, not her, she's just doing her job. Can you imagine how many nut cases they get trying to buy firearms (maybe even illegally) on the site?
     
  3. Conqueror

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    I gotta agree with GunsAmerica on this one. Even to use a site as innocuous as Ebay you have to provide most of that information. 1 single felon buys his gun through GunsAmerica and shoots someone, they are in extremely hot water. Putting stuff like "anonymous" makes you seem very shady, even when it's just for the website.

    If you owned a gun store, and someone walked in, and you asked him his name, and he said "Let's not worry about names," would you allow him to buy a gun in your store?
     
  4. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    They don't want a credit card.

    Show me the link where it reveals the all your information to the public.

    While I find their registration policy annoying, I'd like to see some evidence that this information is readily revealed to the public before condemning them.
     
  5. RPCVYemen

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    They don't require a credit card. I don't remember giving them a phone number, but mine is listed in the phone book.

    I'm not all that hard to find. When I joined Peace Corps, I had to give them my fingerprints and dental record ("Just in case you need to be treated by a dentist while you're overseas" :)), and I had to get a security clearance. I think to get that I had to give the FBI permission to investigate me. My triple super secret ultra deep black op identity was shot a couple of decades ago, when I did all that. :)

    I assume they wanted my address largely for a mailing list that then sell to other gun businesses. Maybe there are some legal reasons as well. Who knows?

    If you don't want to do business with them, you don't have to.

    I didn't see anything particularly nasty in the e-mail. It seemed pretty matter of fact to me.

    Mike
     
  6. Evenflo76

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    Guns America is a private business. Besides the fact that they ( and you ) must follow the law, they have a right to conduct their business as they see fit. Last time I checked firearms purchases were regulated by law.

    If you don't agree with their policy, don't use their service.
     
  7. glockman19

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    If you're looking for a Beretta 92FS INOX www.budsgunshop has them for a good price delivered. Also if you get the GE money sport card you can get NO interest & NO payments for 90 days.

    IMHO a good deal I just got one. May get a 96 FS INOX next.
     
  8. Dr. Peter Venkman

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    GunsAmerica acquires that information to stop fraudulent purchases/sales and the information is not public.

    I'd love to have to return a broken firearm that I purchased from a seller and return to sender at address unknown.
     
  9. McKnife

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    Thanks glockman, I'll check 'em out...

    Never had a problem buying before until now. When I bought a firearm, I'd contact the person with the item I want, provide my info. along with the FFL 's INFO and send the money to the seller's address that was sent to me by email. The seller sends the item TO THE FFL's address I provide once payment clears. Very clear, clean, black & white.

    GA doesn't need my address or phone number or anything else. The only person that would require that info is the seller or FFL.

    I was wrong about the Credit Card requirement, my apologies.

    4473 buddy. I'd sell to anyone with a valid ID and approved NICS.
    Precisely. I had my true address on there at first, and the junk mail was frequent. Email especially. Once changed to "anonymous" it stopped.

    I felt a offended by her email. It sounded as she thought I was childish for putting "anonymous" and "private."

    As indicated in first post, I won't be using them any further.
     
  10. kingpin008

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    Everything they want from you is completely reasonable, as far as I've seen. Do you honestly think that they'd let you sign up to an auction site for FIREARMS without proving who you are? They don't share the info, it's there to prove that you are who you say you are.

    It's good to be vigilant, but I think you're a little overboard here.
     
  11. The Lone Haranguer

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    Don't use them if you don't like their policy

    Other than an utter lack of tact, I fail to see the problem. If you're going to buy a firearm off the site, you must provide a physical address. In a face-to-face transaction with a dealer, the sale cannot be completed if the address on your ID is not current. Why would this be any different?
     
  12. strat81

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    I thought GunsAmerica functioned similar to a classified section in a newspaper. In such a case, wouldn't the burden be on the FFL doing the transfer? If XYZ Gun Shop advertises in the Smalltown Daily News and XYZ sells a gun to a felon, Smalltown Daily News doesn't get in trouble for serving as an advertising medium.

    Either way, their website sucks. I'm gonna stick with gunbroker.
     
  13. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    Not buying that. Those lists aren't updated that quickly. I still get junk mail for people who lived here over five years ago. Once those lists are out there, they are out there. Changing it wouldn't stop your junk mail.

    But, it's your perogative. You have choose to rationalize it any way you want. But, you still haven't provided an example of your information being accessible to the public.
     
  14. Soybomb

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    As strat said, how do you figure? First how does asking for someone's name and address mean they'll not be allowing felons to use the site? Its not like they're doing background checks, that duty falls on the ffl doing the transfer. As gun owners we should at least know how online gun sites work.
     
  15. McKnife

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    That's my point. All liability is on FFL.

    Think what you want... the junk stopped coming. I changed all of my info on all websites to 'anonymous' or 'private,' and completely dropped any sites that wouldn't allow me being to do so. GunsAmerica is now on that list.
     
  16. Conqueror

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    TECHNICALLY that's right. But when was the last time you heard about a FAIR lawsuit? Anyone can sue anyone in this country, for anything. Someone gets shot with a gun bought on GB, you can be virtually certain they will be slapped with a sizeable civil or wrongful death suit in short order by some ambulance-chaser lawyer. While GB isn't running background checks on anyone, getting names and addresses at least allows them to cooperate with law enforcement if something DOES go wrong.

    You are incredibly naive if you think some sleazy lawyer or ambitious DA wouldn't L-O-V-E LOVE to take down a gun auction website for a crime committed with a gun bought there, regardless of the technical truth that the site isn't responsible.
     
  17. Hawk

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    I ran away from that site when I saw that one had to be logged in to see anything other than microscopic thumbnails. I have to see something I want before I'll register and if I can't see anything there's not much danger of me signing up.

    One presumes the issue is conserving bandwidth by restricting full sized picture file transmissions to lurkers. Understandable, sort of. But out of step with the auction sites.

    Much like I'm allowed to not register / buy through them for reasons I'd guess they'd characterize as arbitrary and capricious, they have the option to require complete and accurate information on registrations. It's a great country.
     
  18. strat81

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    I'm not saying it's impossible, but let's think of the ramifications if such a thing happened:

    Eharmony would be responsible for a woman getting AIDS because the person she met on their site had AIDS and Eharmony didn't "screen them" properly.

    Ebay is liable for the death of man slashed to death by a replica sword or run over by a car purchased through their site.

    I suppose if the gun issue surfaced in San Francisco, your situation would fly.
     
  19. vtoddball

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    I agree with strat81. All the purchase/ID info would be handled by the FFL's involved in the transfer. All GA does is bring the buyer and seller together. The only reason they want all the info is for junk mail and other unsolicited garbage.

    I haven't used their site because the few times I looked at it, it was one of the worst sites to navigate that I've ever seen. The links didn't seem to work as they should and layout was horrendous.

    That being said, if I have to give an e-mail for a site or service, I have a junk hotmail/yahoo e-mail address that I never even look at, have never logged into from my own computers and can fill up with a Gig of garbage for all I care.
     
  20. RPCVYemen

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    I have to agree with Jorg here. Something else is going on. My mother in law has been dead for 4 years, and we still gets lots of junk mail for her. I can't figure out how you would get dropped so quickly - once I've been put on a list, it seems like I am on for life. I bought a fitness video for my wife 12 years ago, and I still get junk mail that seems to be related to that purhase.

    All that being said, they're a business. Patronize business you like, don't patronize businesses you don't like. They don't have to defend their policy to you - you don't have to defend your likes or dislikes to them.

    Mike
     
  21. Lashlarue

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    I use gunbroker but they require the same info. Fwiw I work part-time as a background investigator and you would be surprized what I can uncover given just a minimum of information and not spending a nickel at one of these so called people finders.
     
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    I also received the nasty email from them just for omitting my phone number from my profile. I pay to have my number unlisted and refuse to give it to anyone that I choose.

    To the guy that mentioned receiving junk mail for a dead relative, try this one. I receive mail for my grandmother who has been dead for 12 years and never lived at my address. :fire:
     
  24. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    For those guys receiving junk mail, especially addressed to dead people, check this out: http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs4-junk.htm

    Just don't complain that'll cost a dollar. If it's not worth a dollar then just do what everyone else does and throw it away.
     
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