Department of Homeland Security Keeping a List of CCW Holders

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  1. Jeff White

    Jeff White Moderator Staff Member

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    No, this isn't some whacked out conspiracy theory. At least one state, Missouri, is sharing CCW holder information with DHS:

    http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/03/07/kinder-says-nixon-adminstration-helping-feds-compile-a-gun-list/

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elizabeth-crisp/mo-revenue-department-faces-questions/article_93bcd344-3eae-5c18-a26b-5369c71207ec.html
    If this is true it's very scary. Existing law prohibits the federal government from registering guns. Are they registering people who have permits to carry them? How many states besides Missouri are participating?

    What is the Department of Homeland Security going to do with a list of CCW holders?
     
  2. gbran

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    I can think of other potential mechanisms thru which Homeland Security could obtain CCW data. My question is why do they need or want it. What do they wish to do with the data?
     
  3. jimmyraythomason

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    It is against state law in Alabama to release this information to anyone(with few exceptions)"To knowingly publish or release to the public in any form any information or records related to the licensing process, or the current validity of any license, except as authorized in this subsection or in response to a court order or subpoena, is a Class A misdemeanor." Code of Alabama 1975 Section 13a-11-75.
     
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    The more I hear about some of the stuff DHS pulling and the more "Authority" they are assuming for themselves, the more they are starting to look like the start of Hitler's SS in the 1930's.
     
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    They need this info so they will know where to send their MRAP's with their soldiers armed with the 6000 weapons they recently accquired, loaded with part of the billion + rounds of ammo they have. DHS will become obamas "army " when he decides to take over.
     
  6. OilyPablo

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    DHS views all gun owners as (potential) criminals.
     
  7. ccsniper

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    this is interesting
     
  8. bikerdoc

    bikerdoc Moderator In Memoriam

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    Scary actions by scary people, working under the cover of alleged
    Homeland Security makes me think my homeland is not secure from them.
     
  9. dmckean44

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    This is why I'm a proponent of constitutional carry, you don't end up on some list.
     
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    I've always been told they didn't have this info, but it is all stored in a database. Sharing this information is relatively trivial. I figured they could have ready access when they wanted it.


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  11. CoRoMo

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    This is incredibly disturbing.

    I have to imagine that my state is cooperating (illegally) as much as they are able.
     
  12. Carl N. Brown

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    They are looking like a headless SS; these policies perpetuate themselves in the culture of federal law enforcement agencies increasingly militarized since the reaction to the race riots and war protests in the 1960s and growing uncontrolled as a shared mindset.
     
  13. Zoogster

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    Once the data is stored sharing it is a trivial matter.
    Blocking it from being shared if in an easily accessed data base will be unlikely to accomplish a lot unofficially, though it could make using that information officially more difficult.

    If something is stored in a database the feds can often gain access to the database during some investigation using subpoenas or warrants on an individual within the database. Once they have access to the database what stops them from taking copying everything they have access to instead of just researching the one individual they are officially dealing with?

    You cannt have such databases and prevent them from eventually going to centralized government. The only thing such formalities as placing a hold on formally transfering the data may do is prevent the federal government from using it as legitimately obtained evidence or information in the meantime (though they may still be able to show they obtained it validly in some other investigation etc). So at most they can know they just cannot officially know.



    Similarly some chain retail stores keep sales records of customers, including gun stores that make firearm sales. Occasionally agents may access or have access to a database of such records of many thousands of customers during an investigation on an individual. Do you think they stick to only copying the information on that single customer, or maybe just grabbing a copy of the database itself, both copied almost as quickly with modern technology?

    We do have legislation in place with FOPA though that makes it a crime to collect or contribute to or maintain information in a database on who owns what guns at the federal level beyond NFA items. So officially they cannot have such things.
     
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  14. murphys_law

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    That's scary being a citizen of Missouri. I think I may have to write to the gov. and reps about this. Thanks for the information.
     
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    Database

    How about records of firearms serial numbers taken when LEOs are notified in a "shall notify" state such as Alaska?
     
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    Those clowns can't secure the border but more and more I hear about "domestic threat groups." Unbelievable what our nation is coming to.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51082152/

    I've also read that some veterans are getting letters from the VA telling them they have to turn in their firearms. Here's the link:

    http://redflagnews.com/headlines/disarming-americas-heros-veterans-receiving-official-letters-prohibiting-them-from-purchasing-possessing-receiving-or-transporting-a-firearm-or-ammunition
     
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    Each time the federal government infringes on constitutional rights with impunity, it gets easier to do.
     
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    It looks like maybe the guy in Stoddard County who filed suit spoke with a clerical worker at a fee office (an office which contracts with the state to issue license plates and drivers licenses - not a state employee) and proceeded with that information to court. I hope that's all it is. But I'll be glad to see a legislative inquiry into the matter.
    How many posts on here have we seen where somebody calls the Sheriff's office and talks to a secretary about ccw permits and then posts about how the Sheriff is against private gun ownership?
     
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    When is Big Brother going to get too big????????? How long before we've enough?????
     
  20. PlaneJain

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    "My question is why do they need or want it. What do they wish to do with the data?"

    "The more I hear about some of the stuff DHS pulling and the more "Authority" they are assuming for themselves, the more they are starting to look like the start of Hitler's SS in the 1930's.
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    Here is why:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
     
  21. breakingcontact

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    What is going on with Missouri lately?
     
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    + 1 on this video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
    1.6 billion ammo rounds plus> 2500 light armored vehicles.....
    :)
     
  23. Arbo

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    I live in a place where I have never felt the need to get a CCW... and I'm glad, because I always knew that sort of stuff would end up putting you on some government list.
     
  24. murphys_law

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    Your probably on a list from being on this website. The posts are public. You don't think the govt is collecting information on everyone? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but lets face the facts here. They are doing more information gathering than anyone could ever imagine in preparation for EVER having to use it.... Sad that they collect the data before they have a real cause. If you think your speaking out about liberties publicly on the internet and your not some how tracked or part of data collection then think again my friend. FWIW I'm still writing my legislators :D
     
  25. Deanimator

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    You live behind an impenetrable force field?

    I'll bet that doctor in Connecticut felt the same way... when his wife and daughters were still alive...
     
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