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Deportation For Terrorist Enablers

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Rebar, Aug 5, 2005.

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  1. Rebar

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164830,00.html

    Sounds like something we can do here - lets void the visa of any hate-preacher and send them back to whatever hellhole they came from.
     
  2. TrybalRage

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    As fun as that sounds, it would set a dangerous precedent against the first amendment.
     
  3. Rebar

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    If a non-citizen advocates violence, or supports those committing violence on American soil, I don't see it as a violation of the first amendment to deport them.
     
  4. Derek Zeanah

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    But they're terrorists. They follow a false god! They kill people!

    Agreeing with terrorists should be a punishable offense. They're lucky they're just getting deported...

    [/fear-mongering right-winger speak]
     
  5. Derek Zeanah

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    So, for those that had citizenship, like the London bombers that were born in the UK, you'd support leaving them alone?
     
  6. Rebar

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    If by "leave them alone", you mean not deport them, then yes. If you mean not pay attention to them, then no.

    If a citizen is a Klansman, and is preaching violence, the FBI would keep an eye on him, and rightly so. If a citizen is a reputed Mafia gangster, by all means, lets keep an eye on him. If a citizen is advocating jihad and fighting the great satan America, wouldn't be be prudent to keep tabs on this fellow? I say yes, lets watch him and who he associates with.
     
  7. Waitone

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    Why deport anyone? The back door is off the hinges so why bother. Better yet, why spend any money on der motherland security.
     
  8. Rebar

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    I agree we need to secure the borders, and it's probably a waste of time deporting Mexicans, since they'll just come right back. However, it's a little different sending someone back to the Middle East, to sneak back into the US from way out there is a lot harder.
     
  9. R.H. Lee

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    Why are non-citizens even afforded constitutional protections?
     
  10. shermacman

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    We have got the cart before the horse. By the time we have to start talking about deporting citizens for their spoken words we are in serious trouble.
     
  11. Derek Zeanah

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    More or less trouble than those "other" lines we hope never to cross, like imprisoning citizens for years without chrages, trial, or access to an attorney? Or maybe grabbing Canadians off of connecting flights in NYC and shipping them to Syria to be tortured for a month until they confess to everything they're presented with? Maybe that point where we overturn foreign governments using "secret" evidence that turns out to have been "flimsy" if anyone ever really believed it (wink wink)?

    Dude, we're there. And the frightening thing is how many people embrace the turn our country has made. :(
     
  12. Master Blaster

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    Ahhhh, Nothing like a liberal whos been mugged.

    Just wait till the Dems gain control, here and something else happens.

    With all these wonderful new laws keeping us safe from the dangers of too much liberty. You know all us nasty gun owners are enablers of violence as well, Just Ask Turdie, Diane, and John John, :cuss: :fire:

    Now Mother May I, says you all snuggle up in your little blankie, and I will be keeping you safe-wayfee- from all those bad bad people.
     
  13. rick_reno

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    I'm not convinced it'll be much worse with a Democrat in control - the majority of this onerous legislation was passed with the Republicans in control. I'd worry about either McCain (who I believe still calls himself a Republican) as much as I'd worry about Hillary.
     
  14. Rebar

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    You're twisting things around. No one is talking about deporting citizens. We're talking about those who are here on tourist, work, or religious visas, or illegally. Non-citizens spewing jihadist nonsense or other hateful propaganda being deported is the subject.
     
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    Because the Bill of Rights refers to "people," not citizens, and modern medical science has revealed that foreigners are, in fact, human?
     
  16. Sindawe

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    Just my opinion, but those who are here on visas, be they tourist, work or religious visas, have the same constitutional protections that citizens do. However, they ARE here at the pleasure of those citizens. They are GUESTS in our land, and we citizens can tell them to leave at any time via the arm of our servant, the central government.

    Just as when I go to visit friends in their home. I can speak my mind, but if I upset my hosts, they can kick me out.
     
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    Actually, the Bill of Rights refers to "THE People", and I think that infers a smidgen of exclusivity. The framers weren't talking about "THE People" of Mexico, or the world for that matter, they were refering to citizens of our country, IMHO.

    You can chase your tail extrapolating the Constitution to mean everything for everybody until you find a way to justify not being able to do anything.

    Folks construe capital punishment to be "cruel and unusual", abortion is a facet of the right to privacy, foreigners who shout "Death to America" are merely exercising their First Amendment rights, "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means no such thing....Yada, Yada, Yada.

    What's next? Killing enemy combatants violates their "right" to be secure in their person???

    Gimme a break! Lets just continue to be the doormat for the planet until somebody thinks to discard us in the dustbin of history, filed under "Idealism Run Amok".

    Ideals are swell, but there come's a time when you simply have to roll up your sleeves and clean house!
     
  18. R.H. Lee

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    Why limit deportation to suspected terrorists? Why not round up and deport ALL non-citizens who are here without visas or other official sanction?
     
  19. Rebar

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    True enough, but we got to start somewhere, and deporting Islamofacists is a pretty good place to start.
     
  20. Justin

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    Yeah, but what about the hate-preachers that were born here? Where do we send them? Cleveland?
     
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    Yeah, but what about the hate-preachers that were born here? Where do we send them? Cleveland?

    How about France? :D
     
  22. Destructo6

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    That's generally the case as it is. The US has a right to decide which aliens it allows to remain in the US. We're stuck with bad US citizens, but we don't need to saddle ourselves with the detrius from the rest of the world.
     
  23. longeyes

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    Exile is coming back. Just be patient.
     
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    The Bill of Rights doesnt bestow rights onto anyone, it restricts the government's ability to curtail the rights that people have by virtue of being people. We get to decide who we let into this country, and that is how we can pick and choose wether or not non-citizens get constitutional protection. If you live in this country legally, you get your human rights, period.
     
  25. MrTuffPaws

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    Thanks for saying much better than I could do.

    This is one more step to the end for England. If this happened here, how many of us would be judged terrorists and, uh, well deported.

    Also, about deporting them, wouldn't you just be sending them to someplace that you could not keep an eye on them. It would be like throwing a rabbit into a briar patch.
     
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