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Deputy Loses Eye In Shooting Practice

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  1. jsalcedo

    jsalcedo Member

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    From: http://www.mymotherlode.com/News/article/kvml/1101227366

    (source: Radio station KVML)

    Deputy Loses Eye In Shooting Practice
    Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 08:25 AM

    Sebastian Kunz
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    A senior deputy with the Calaveras County Sheriff's Department lost an
    eye during what's being described as a "freak accident" last week.

    Calaveras County Deputy Jim Waddell was doing practice shooting on a
    range on his property in Stanislaus County.

    After firing his AR-15 rifle at a steel target, a bullet fragment
    ricocheted back and struck him in the left eye.

    The deputy was wearing safety glasses, but the fragment somehow went over
    the glasses.

    Deputy Waddell was taken to a local hospital and then transferred to
    Stanford Medical Center where emergency surgery was performed, but
    doctors were not able to save the eye.

    Officials say he's in good spirits and recovering at home, receiving much
    support from friends and coworkers.

    He returns today to Stanford Medical for a follow-up surgery.
     
  2. JL2152

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    This really is a sad and freak accident. Just goes to show that sometimes weird things happen.
     
  3. El Tejon

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    Sad and horrific, but not a freak accident. Lots of stuff comes back to the shooter off backstops. Eez gon, eez not safe.

    As wise man in Tejas sez, "I could make a backstop out of cream puffs and SOMETHING would come back." This was after a pistol bullet knocked a student down with one to the face. No problems, she was a skin doc, stopped the bleeding and a little liquid skin, good as new and she kept her pistol pointing downrange, even after being clobbered.
     
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    That's why I don't shoot steel targets. I got tired of picking bullet fragments out of my shirt and had a friend I was standing next to catch a ricochet in the groin while he was shooting.
     
  5. Standing Wolf

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    I'll bet he'll keep an eye out for good eye protection from now on.
     
  6. jsalcedo

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    How much you wanna bet it was at close range?

    His shooting glasses were probably not designed for the task either.
     
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    What BS! He was either not wearing glasses or wearing it improperly. Projectiles just don't take drastic curves around barriers.
     
  8. ConcernedCitizen

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    How exactly does a bullet fragment go OVER your glasses, and still happen to hit you in the eye?

    I'd like to see the ballistic arc of that bullet fragment...

    *Edit* Good timing, ScorpioVI! :)
     
  9. carebear

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    glasses splipped down his nose? his head was canted on the stock, creating the angle?

    Why's everything got to be a flippin cover up? Seemingly weird stuff happens everyday for perfectly rational reasons.

    Cynicism is common and boring.
     
  10. armoredman

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    Safety glasses, properly worn, don't allow a fragment to loop around them. This is someone who decided he knew better than the manufacturer about how they should be worn. I see it all the time, when I ran a range, to now with officers at the qulification line.
    BTW, I have a polycarbonate lens from regular glasses the day I thought I was bulletproof - fragment came up and impacted the lens just below center. Nice deep gouge in the polycarbonate lense, which if had been glass, would have decorated my bloody eye socket...
    Never again.
     
  11. Preacherman

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    Actually, it IS possible for a bullet fragment to get into the eye "over" the protective glasses. It happened to a buddy of mine in South Africa back in the '80's. He was wearing protective glasses, but the fragment came at him a bit high, went over the top of the glasses, and struck the eye orbit (the bony circle surrounding the eye). It was deflected downward, into the eye. He ended up losing sight in that eye.
     
  12. Tom Servo

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    I can't help it. TBS was just showing A Christmas Story, and the immortal line, "you'll shoot your eye out!" sprang to mind when I read this.
     
  13. Ryder

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    So are congenital liars.
     
  14. carebear

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    I live a much happier life since I decided that, barring obvious information to the contrary or a risk to safety (physical, financial or other), I would more or less accept people at their word.

    Less stressful than constantly trying to figure out if they are lying. Usually more entertaining as well. Lies can get pretty extreme if you just go along with the story, eventually they unravel themselves...
     
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    The bones around the orbit can "funnel" fragments into the eye, depending on the angle the fragment strikes the bone.

    I have personally seen people who had a fragment hit there eyebrow area, get deflected downward, and injure the globe of the eye.

    Eye protection will minimize these problems, but will not eliminate them.
     
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    We wear goggles like this at my workplace for splash protection. Maybe they need a redesign to make them fragment resistant enough for shooting eyewear?



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    Uvex Stealth Goggles ensure worker compliance with advanced design, comfort and safety features. Durable polypropylene frame with soft, flexible elastomer seal provides exceptional comfort and customized fit around facial features. Impact resistant polycarbonate single lens can easily be replaced without throwing away the entire goggle. Lens with Uvextreme® AF coating is anti-fog, anti-scratch, anti-static and offers greater than 99.9% UV protection. Other features include quick-adjust headband clips, indirect venting for extra splash protection, superior optics and improved peripheral vision. Complies with ANSI and CSA standards. Made in USA in an ISO 9001 registered facility
     
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    I think it's the incomplete information...

    Nice insult!
    Of course aren't all LEOs cynics? How can one investigate anything without being one?

    I think you have to be a cynic to some extent just to want to understand the dynamics of what transpired with the LEO shooting himself in the eye. I think many of us believe that if you shoot yourself then you did something unsafe, as you suggested.

    I think it's the incomplete information as to what happened that triggers questions in peoples minds.


    Respectfully,

    jdkelly
     
  18. JerryM

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    I sometimes shoot steal plates with a handgun. I always stay at least 15 yards back, and always turn the target at an angle so that a ricochet will not come back toward me. I am nearly always alone, so the slanting of the plate is not a problem.

    Jerry
     
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    I was grumpy this morning, so I now regret the insulting-ness.

    Still, I think there's a difference between 'cynicism' and simple curiosity and/or the responsibility to tell truth from lie in a law enforcement scenario. Cynicism is aggressive vice neutral disbelief.

    On the non-LE side of the house, it is the difference between the response "Over the glasses? How could that happen?" and...

     
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    There you go, anyone shooting steel at close range with jacketed bullets
    is going to get burned in time.... My suggestion is don't.
     
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    I'm glad you are feeling better, I hope your Thanksgiving was good.

    And yes I do believe that there are degrees of cynicism.


    Respectfully,

    jdkelly
     
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    jd,

    Yep, had dinner with the folks, the only people who had to live with my grumpiness for 33 years and still call me their baby.

    I was especially thankful for having two functioning eyes. :rolleyes:

    Hope your Thanksgiving was good as well.
     
  23. psyopspec

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    Bet he didn't see that one coming...
     
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    This is something that I find no humor in.

    I strongly suspect that those who are making jokes of this situation wouldn't think it was very funny had it happened to them.

    This kind of stuff can happen fairly easily especially with some of the scenarios that LEOs try to train for.
     
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    Had an experience with shotguns and bowling pins that was similar but with consequences that were not as drastic. When you shot a rifle or shotgun you standing sideways a little and you head is canted a little. I had a pellet come back and go between the lenses of my glasses and hit me in the right eyeball.
    Fortunately, unconciously it seemed, I saw a shadow and blinked as the pellet came through. I was bleeding slightly after being hit. Impact was just above the eyeball but below the eyebrow, ouch!!!!!!!! I now wear wraparounds like oakleys when I shoot. Tragically we all should learn from situations like this deputies.
     
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