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Destroyer Carbine

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Nordeste, Mar 18, 2013.

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  1. Nordeste

    Nordeste Member

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    Hi all:

    I'll be soon getting one of these, chambered in 9mm Luger. Use will be just for fun shooting, at 50 and 100 meters, and perhaps for small game. In fact I'll probably get a second one in 9mm Largo, and keep the one I like better.

    Some info on the Destroyer:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer_carbine

    Reading about her history, one of the articles I read mentioned that, apart from the Law Enforcement use it saw in my country in the past, the Destroyer was also used by American special forces in Vietnam. For that purpose, it was fitted with a suppressor and a scope, and used basically for tasks like dispatching sentries. According to this video, it looks possible:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywa7HQ3Nhu4

    Question is, did the US Special Forces actually used these carbines or did I just read an article from a too imaginative journalist?.

    Regards.
     
  2. Carl N. Brown

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    Over the past twenty years, I have seen at least three Destroyer carbines, all I believe 9mm Largo, pass through the local gunshop. I believe the main interest was from collectors of curios, rather than hunters, although I thought it would be a neat carbine for use around a farm against foxes, coyotes and other medium-size predators.

    I have not seen documentary evidence of its use in Vietnam, but Special Forces were known to use non-issue and "deniable" weapons, like the Swedish K submachinegun, behind enemy lines.
     
  3. R.W.Dale

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    Are you absolutely certain you're getting one in 9x19 and not just getting one in 9mm largo (9mm/38) that someone THINKS is chambered for 9mm Luger?

    Destroyer carbines in chambeeings other than largo are exceedingly rare.




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  4. Nordeste

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    I am positively sure it'll be a 9mm Luger, Dale. She will be paid for tomorrow and I have exchanged e-mails and talked on the phone with the seller. I know the 9mm Luger are a rarity. I happened, though, to come across another unit in 9 Largo at an exceptional price and couldn't resist. I will shoot both and then see if I keep both, or get rid of one of them.
     
  5. Scooter22

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    You might want to check to be sure it's truly a 9x19. There are Destroyers marked 9x19 but are 9mm Largo. Easier to sell a gun in common, available ammo. Shooting a 9x19 isn't dangerous but it will stress the extractor as the case is too short to head space. So the extractor holds the case back so the FP doesn't push it forward. You don't want to break a hard to find part. Take a empty case and chamber it so it's hooked by the extractor. Close bolt. Slip a cleaning rod down the bore and measure. Open bolt. Now place the case into the chamber, push and hold it all the way in with your finger. Re measure. If it's a shorter measurement it's probabaly a 9mm Largo because the chamber is deeper allowing the case to farther in. Both rounds head space on the case mouth. They are fun little guns and cheap to shoot especially with cast bullet handloads. Good luck.
     
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    There is a 9mm LARGO gun in a local pawn shop... I have been trying to invent a reason to buy it...
    But so far nothing has come to mind...,
     
  7. Nordeste

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    Well, this kind of changes things, Scooter. I have little doubt about the seller's honesty since the sale is done via another firearms related forum in which he has a good reputation. There are written evidences of what he's offering and if he cheated me, he positively knows I'd have his a** sued. Nonetheless, I have e-mailed him a few minutes ago and told him about the matter, and asked him to carry out your "test", just in case.

    Thanks for the info ;).

    Back to topic, I would have loved to see a photo of a spec ops American soldier with a Destroyer in hand... :D
     
  8. jcwit

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    I'll bet it's stamped on the receiver 9M/M Bergmann.
     
  9. Scooter22

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    He's probly not guilty of anything. First it,s possible it's a true 9x19. The importers were the ones that restamped them back when they were imported. If it's stamped 9x19, 9mm Luger or 9mm Para you just need to make sure. I don't mean to wreck your purcahse. Just made you aware of some of the mismarkings. Mine is 9mm Largo. Starline makes great cases. You can use 9x19 dies to reload it and it takes standad .355 bullets.
     
  10. Nordeste

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    That's good news, Scooter. Thank you for the info. I had already heard that the 9x19 mm dies could be used to reload 9 Largo, but it's good to have someone knowledgeable confirming it.

    The carbine in question is, according to the photos I got, in excellent condition. Will post pics as soon as I get it. I'm glad you have one and like it ;).
     
  11. jcwit

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    Another option for dies for reloading is to use 38 Auto dies. I've reloaded more than a few thousand 9mm Largo cases to be shot in my 9mm Largo pistols. It was what was recommended to me by one of the major die manufactures to use, sorry I no longer remember which one.
     
  12. philuk44

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    Hi Nordeste

    I've shot one of the 9mm Largo guns. The owner had a spacer machined up and fitted to the chamber so 9mm Luger rounds headspace on it. It works well - maybe an option if yours turns out to be Largo after all. Good luck with your purchase - they're fun little carbines :D

    Phil
     
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    Oh, one other thing I forgot to mention for 9mm Largo guns, DO NOT try and fire .38 Super or 9mm Winchester Magnum (9x23). They fit but the pressure is too high. You don't want a grenade in you face or a bolt in you forehead.
     
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    I shot nothing but 38 Supers in mine. Current factory ammo is so weak (about the same as the old 38 ACP) my gunsmith said it should cause no problems and it never did. I wouldn't use any high velocity loads, but current factory ammo I tested ran under 1100 FPS and is pretty mild.
     
  15. Nordeste

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    Good news. The carbine is definitely 9mm Luger. The seller carried out the above mentioned "procedure" ;), even tried to feed a 9 Largo cartridge in the chamber and magazine, and it wouldn't fit.

    Next thing I'd love to find is a way to attach a scope, and find a proper scope for it. With "proper", I mean something that doesn't ruin the looks of the thing and doesn't cost more than the carbine itself, although I'm afraid that, for starters, the tricky thing will be attaching the scope itself.
     
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