Determined Attacker

[mbok1947]

Having witnessed three fatal officer involved shootings and covered several hundred homicides (and who knows how many more non-fatal shootings and stabbings) I can attest that even with wounds that ultimately proved fatal, lots of people can and do go on for some time after the initial wound(s). I have seen them run several blocks, drive several miles and even engage in rational-sounding conversations for a time with visible brain matter coming out of their heads. It's really quite rare for anyone to fall down instantly dead after being shot or stabbed, and fairly common for them to get back up one or more times after suffering apparently fatal wounds. That is especially true with suspects, as many are, who are under the influence of various drugs or booze. The human body is pretty tough.

 

[Deltaboy1984]

Growing up I learned you grab you shotgun first! Rifled Slugs and 00 Buck takes the starch out of perps 2 and 4 legged types! But some city folks might get upset at the sight of a 870 riot gun!

 

[Phaedrus/69]

Having witnessed three fatal officer involved shootings and covered several hundred homicides (and who knows how many more non-fatal shootings and stabbings) I can attest that even with wounds that ultimately proved fatal, lots of people can and do go on for some time after the initial wound(s). I have seen them run several blocks, drive several miles and even engage in rational-sounding conversations for a time with visible brain matter coming out of their heads. It's really quite rare for anyone to fall down instantly dead after being shot or stabbed, and fairly common for them to get back up one or more times after suffering apparently fatal wounds. That is especially true with suspects, as many are, who are under the influence of various drugs or booze. The human body is pretty tough.

Yeah, just from growing up hunting it's pretty remarkable how tenacious life is! A deer is about the size of a person but can absorb several .30 cal bullets with little immediate sign of being shot. I've seen plenty of deer with no heart and just pulp where the lung should be that ran hundreds of yards before dropping.

 

[herrwalther]

Growing up I learned you grab you shotgun first! Rifled Slugs and 00 Buck takes the starch out of perps 2 and 4 legged types! But some city folks might get upset at the sight of a 870 riot gun!

Problem with that being you don't always have a shotgun in your pants. Unless you have a trench coat and are doing a Kyle Reese from Terminator impersonation.

Yeah, just from growing up hunting it's pretty remarkable how tenacious life is! A deer is about the size of a person but can absorb several .30 cal bullets with little immediate sign of being shot. I've seen plenty of deer with no heart and just pulp where the lung should be that ran hundreds of yards before dropping.

Adrenaline is an amazing thing. In the end it can really suck too. A friend of mine was KIA overseas because a round went through a gap in his plate carrier. He either didn't know he was hit or kept it a secret to finish fighting before he bled out.

 

[Deltaboy1984]

We had a guy come in DOA who had been on Angel Dust 30 hits of 357 May and what finally stopped him was a Slug from an Ithaca 37 pump!
This was back in the mid 1980's Dr said he was dead when they shot him with the shotgun yet he was still fighting!

 

[Riomouse911]

There are times that people just don’t want to do what Hollywood tells is they should: People get flung back 5 feet from a shotgun blast, one shot one kill is the standard, small women are always easy to handcuff and tasers and chemical agents always stop aggressors instantaneously.

I’ve seen firsthand: Multiple solid center-torso hits from the magical “over .40” rounds fail to slow some folks, tasers will not affect about 12-15% of the population even without chemical enhancement, I would much rather fight “ big guys” because they tired qiuicker than wiry little tweakers (male or female) who always seem to fight to the death and the most savage back and forth baton battle I’ve seen in my 28 years (and counting) involved a completely sober Pacific Islander who was tearing up a Circle K store after he learned his wife left him for a man from Mexico... and my former partner Hector Santana was first on scene.

Needless to say his anger at Hispanics numbed his body and the dozens of baton strikes from two officers barely slowed him until he finally quit fighting. A 32” cocobolo baton was cracked in the fight, so these strikes were plenty hard, and the stripes on his bruised arms, legs and torso made him look like a grilled hot dog the next day.

When given no other choice, one who is armed and aware must always shoot to “stop an attack”. But to do so, one must plan on firing two, three, five shots etc. in case things don’t go as well as one is conditioned to expect from movies and TV.

Stay safe!

 

[jmorris]

Reminds me of trying to give a cat a bath when I was a kid. “Fight or flight” is an instinct, something obviously had him making illogical decisions or he wouldn’t have been put in the position in the first place but it looks like he was going for “flight” for the first minute and a half of the video before he switched gears to fight, then flight.

I would say he was determined to get away not attack different motives completely. No reason to tell an attacker to “stop resisting” either.

I think the best advice can be found around 34 seconds in with, “keep your taser on him.” Seemed fairly effective to that point, hard to run when you are making uncontrollable noises while convulsing on the ground.

Curious why all the shots at the car seemed like they were going high.?

 

[Deltaboy1984]

The Human body can be very tough to stop and other times they can be stopped very Quick! YMMV

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

The will to fight is more important than any weapon, there are people in the military and LE that have no business being there (I say this as a former soldier). Seeing people with the will to keep going after using intimidation and even forceful tactics can leave a person who wasnt expecting it in a state of shock, I've seen them stand around with blank stares on their faces in combat situations.

 

[DannyLandrum]

Here's the main issue as I see it: When the perp got free and was reaching into the vehicle, it was obvious (I'm sure) to the officers that he was going for a weapon. In times past, he would have been shot right there, at that instant, as he should have been (if not long before). But it's the legions of BS bogus cases of cops being protested for shooting at *armed* suspects with a rap sheet a mile long in dark and seedy circumstances (or seemingly / potentially armed) where they are shamed, targeted by BS protest campaigns (such as BLM when there is ZERO evidence that race has anything to do with anything), demoted, etc. So in a marginal case like this, the officers hesitated before deciding to run away rather than shoot the POS, as they should have - this wasted valuable seconds that allowed the perp to get shots off. These are the fruits of the totally bogus campaigns from the terrorist group BLM - that is, an innocent person doing his job nearly died, and forever altered his life for the worse, due to his fears of being unjustly targeted, that made him and his partner hesitate to use deadly force - you don't need to SEE a gun when you've been physically fighting with a huge individual who has already had one gun taken from him and is reaching into a car window. In my opinion.