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Detroit: Armed & Determined

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  1. steelerdude99

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    I saw this on BA (bearing arms). The financial situation there in Detroit is dire with the city not being able to afford an adequate force. So, the police chief encourages citizens to arm themselves. And get this ... the arming of citizens is helping the situation. See link:

    http://bearingarms.com/detroit-armed-determined/

    > Detroit once again ranks high on the FBI’s list of most dangerous cities.
    > But it’s a stat Motor City citizens are committed to changing. More and
    > more residents are arming themselves and, with a police chief standing
    > firmly behind them, it’s making a difference.

    chuck
     
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  2. aarondhgraham

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    Wow,,,

    I'm not quite sure how to take this,,,
    I am torn in my opinion.

    On one hand I am appalled that it came to this,,,
    But on the other hand I am astonished that a public official,
    Is admitting that they can't defend the populace and that they need to do it themselves.

    I'll be watching this very closely.

    Aarond

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  3. jakk280rem

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    Police chief sounds like he's been hanging around THR. Nice to see a high public official with the publics best interest at heart and not just the furtherance of his career. Seems like the people of Detroit have a keeper. Maybe in a few years he can give the mayor's office a run.
     
  4. pendennis

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    Having lived next to Detroit for over thirty years, I've had the opportunity to observe the rapid decline in the safety and security of Detroit's citizens. As the population declined from a peak of 3 million, to a current 690k, the money has left, and with it, the ability of police, fire, and EMS services to keep up with the growth of crime, fires (arson), and unhealthy and aging citizens.

    The politics of the city, with a single political party in charge (Democrats), there has been no incentive to improve things. Mayor Coleman Young completely alienated the suburbs with his rants about staying "north of Eight Mile Road" (Detroit northern border). Subsequent mayors have been inept, for the most part, and the city finally went bankrupt last year.

    The police chief's job has always been a political plum. The previous mayors have been notorious for hiring cronies. The current police chief was previously the chief of the Cincinnati, Ohio, police department. In its history, Cincinnati has had thirteen police chiefs. Detroit, by contrast has had over seventy. This points to the lack of consistent law enforcement policy, and creates a large amount of turnover in the lower ranks.

    The state appointed an emergency financial manager whose powers usurp the mayor and city council. He looks at things from a strict dollars and cents basis, and has been able to make appointments to key city posts without regard to political considerations. The police chief is one of those appointments. Since the new chief doesn't have to kowtow to a mayor or city council, he has been able to mold the existing police force into a much more effective unit. Although 911 response times are still high, they've improved markedly. He also recognizes and publicizes the fact that the police can't be there to respond to every crime. He encourages the citizens to legally arm themselves, and has said on a number of occasions that the citizens are ultimately responsible for their own safety. There have been over a dozen cases in which citizens have shot and killed intruders in their homes, all deemed to be "righteous" shootings. And the thieves have taken a lot of this to heart. Crime in some areas has actually declined.

    The police chief has been excoriated by liberal journalists and anti-gun groups, but the results are self-evident. And his tenure may not last long enough. When the city comes out of bankruptcy, they will likely fall back to their politics of cronyism.
     
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    Let the people of Detroit solve their own problems without the goobermint getting involved.

    If they still posses that ability, it will be interesting. If they don't posses that ability, screw 'em and let the city burn.
     
  7. RustyShackelford

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    Motown blues.....

    The serious problems of Detroit MI are sad & difficult to see but the city isn't the only metro area to face crime/police issues.
    I posted a remark about a few Memphis TN police officers who complained about a serious lack of sworn personnel & funds($). They told the media how a few sections of Memphis TN have no patrol officers at all! :eek:

    State agencies in 2014 have major problems too. The Florida Highway Patrol, www.BeATrooper.com , put out a media release saying a response to a crime or accident may take 2 to 3 hours. :eek:
    That doesn't include any hazardous conditions or bad weather. That's under normal responses to calls for service.

    Chief Craig's 2A support is good but I highly doubt any other high crime rate cities or metro areas will follow his example.
    Those chiefs & sheriffs seem determined to rail against private citizens or gun ownership rather than deal with the gangs, drug dealers & "street terrorists". :mad:

    Rusty
    PS; Bad government or uncivil conduct isn't just in Detroit. A criminal court judge in the Daytona Beach Florida area was suspended & transferred(to civil court div) after yelling & fighting with a lawyer in open court! :uhoh:
    The incident was a huge scandal in central Florida & shows how some public officials think they can say or do whatever they want. :rolleyes:
     
  8. bigfatdave

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    Oh no! Whatever will they do?!?!???!?!?!?!

    ...

    Seriously, did you NOT rob a bank and mug a nun today because there are police around, or because you're not the kind of person that robs banks and mugs nuns?

    Remove career criminals and you don't need to live in a damn police state. The police CAN NOT and WILL NOT protect you, even if there's always one available 30 seconds away.
     
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    I work in Memphis…we joke all the time that it's going down the exact same path as Detroit. Piss poor leadership, corruption, and a voter base that rewards it all by re-electing them.

    I have a buddy on the Sherriffs force. He was once reprimanded for pulling someone over in a certain part of town late at night by himself. The procedure in that part of town for some crimes is that you just don't pull them over…let it go until you can do a daylight stop with backup.
     
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    Unfortunately the problem is that the crime runoff lands at my doorstep. I've lived within 10 miles of Detroit nearly my whole life. Suburbia is going downhill, too.

    The city is in shambles, but the new chief seems to be doing what he can with what he's got.
     
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    Jacksonville Florida is going down the same path. The northwest corner is where the trouble is most every night, and it has been spreading north. I saw a news interview where a large crowd of people swarmed into walmart, and the local movie theater near the airport. The police did nothing to control it as there are not anywhere near enough officers in the city for the square mileage. We need to get back to basics and fix the core issues of the community, then the crime and problems will go way down.
     
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    God willing he will not. It's going to take a lot more than one man to fix things there. Let him continue to do what he's best at, and not promote him to the point of failure like we do so many other officials. Hopefully he'll be so good by the time the city gets out of bankruptcy, no future mayor would dare fire the beloved chief who believed in the citizens --probably why he's promoting himself so much (the NRA and news helps, but I have seen him more than like any other Chief in the news recently; but for good reason)

    TCB
     
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    Agreed, as I was born and raised there.

    Which isn't much, with less "much" to show for it.

    I'm glad my mother will be leaving soon.

    HE's being told off by mostly non-residents of Detroit proper, mainly residents straddling the divide - between 8 and 9.


    Those of us that lived and worked there were usually armed anyway. This is non-news being manufactured into news;

    "Police chief tells Detroit residents to be ARMED." They reply " We already are, but thanks for the heads up"

    I will admit this- one place where I wasn't exactly ********************* (something about carry laws) 100% of the time. Over ten years and a lifetime ago :D

    Most of the serious objectors are safely gargling Fraps at Somerset, himing and hawing about the uncivilized barbaric rabble below 10 mile.


    Stay frosty smalls, and please have a Hani at National for me. Extra coleslaw, hold the cheese. I miss that place.
     
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  14. RustyShackelford

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    Post #9, RoboCop.....

    Maybe Detroit MI needs real RoboCops. :D

    It seems a private sworn LE agency or a private company which controls all city services isn't far off. :uhoh:
    Real firms do exist but I'm not sure if any run metro cities the size of Detroit MI. That could be the future in 10-20 years. First cities, then counties then entire states. :uhoh:

    As for Memphis it's no surprise. :mad:
    I had a supervisor/police officer in my metro area give me some song & dance about calls for service(what to do). If I followed this advice, Id be fired & maybe lose my security license. :cuss:
    He had the city, the PD, the civil service commission, the EEOC, his union etc to defend his actions/statements. Private citizens do not have the same conditions.

    Rusty
     
  15. blarby

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    Vipers would be a good start, lol !

    DO NOT miss those guys. Something about security companies that bunk up like infantry guys...
     
  16. RustyShackelford

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    Sandy Springs GA....

    Sandy Springs GA, outside Atlanta is run by a network of private contracts & corporations.
    The city of approx 94,000 was run by one CO based firm from 2005 to 2012 but the elected officials split up the city services to save $$$.

    Rusty
    PS; Sandy Springs cops all use Glocks.
     
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  17. Wishoot

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    Born in Detroit, raised in Southfield just off of 9 Mile Road (1 mile from the DMZ). It pains me to no end to see how a once great city has been run into the gutter and now looks like the war torn streets of Aleppo.

    Death blows came from corrupt politicians who were only concerned with lining their pockets. Fortunately, Kwame Kilpatrick is now in prison. Coleman Young and a bevy of Detroit aldermen and city council should of rotted in prison as well.

    The police are stretched as thin as they can get and their response times are dismal at 58 minutes for high-priority calls. (http://money.msn.com/now/post--a-911-response-in-detroit-takes-how-long). It's really up to the citizens of Detroit to defend themselves because the police are not going to be there. Crime continues to permeate the suburbs too.

    Most of my family still lives in the suburbs. When I visit, I'm always carrying. With plenty of reloads.
     
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    It's not just the big cities! S.W. OREGON has gotten the same way. No S.O. in one county, Only 2 deputies on duty in the next & the others in trouble also! Corruption among the local & State government are way out of control! With no one to set things right, it will just get worse! Almost everyone around here knows they are on their own! Just a few years ago, the former mayor of a small town was beaten to death on the street, while no one did anything! Now almost everyone carries a gun. People have discussed starting a Sheriff auxiliary, but there is not much support from county officials. Gun sales are up! But so is crime! At times the jail is full & has no room! I think this problem will spread as other places run out of cash & go broke! To many places & people got use to the Federal Government handing out money to them or the county! Only when these citizens see the truth will they believe! As we were discussing in another thread, always pay attention to what's going on around you. Make plans & always be prepared! Your safety & that of those around you depends on it now more than ever! As long as we the people ignore that, we will have these problems! BTW, The county sheriff did suggest buying a shotgun!
     
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    Memphis, AKA Mogadishu on the Mississippi.
     
  20. RustyShackelford

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    Milwaukee County Sheriff?.....

    Wasn't the elected sheriff of Milwaukee County(WI) extremely pro gun/2A. This cat wanted armed security on nearly every street & to let the residents arm themselves. :uhoh:
    I'm not sure if Id go that far but I can't fault the county's sheriff for expressing his views or wanting to protect the citizens.

    In the post-George Zimmerman era(early 2012) my city's mayor & PD pushed a don't provoke, don't pursue mandate on crime prevention groups & citizens. :mad:
    They've since backed away from the formal SOP but it shows how little some government officials care about real safety & how out of touch they are with the public.

    Rusty
     
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    He is and he's awesome. Unfortunately, Milwaukee has an extremely lefty mayor and chief of police. He's a realist and understands that the cops can't be everywhere all of the time. We need more like Sheriff Clarke.
     
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    I grew up in SE Michigan, and not having lived there for most of my adult life, I'm glad to not be there.

    On a recent visit "home", I was stunned on a trip through Detroit on my way to a Tigers game at Comerica Park. The abandonment and devastation of the metropolitan area was reminiscent of Berlin in the latter days of WW II.

    It's going to be pretty hard to fix this, I don't think there is much to hope for here.
     
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    I live about 300 yards from the southern border of Detroit, and I don't leave my house without being armed. The only time I even cross the city limits of Detroit without my gun is when I have to go for jury duty.

    The police in the city I live in are vehemently anti-gun. I had one of them lecture me that unless I had a gun safe the quality of a bank's safe I should not be allowed to own any guns.
     
  24. RustyShackelford

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    Maybe off-topic but related....

    I just read over Sheriff Clarke's bio/background on the county website.
    He had a long & distinguished career in law enforcement prior to being elected sheriff in the early 2000s. He has a Master's degree in Security Studies.
    Sheriff David Clarke also went to the prestigious FBI National Academy & the Harvard JFK School of Government program.

    Interestingly, the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office has zero job openings. Not even for support staff or non-sworn positions(dispatcher, secretary, fleet services, etc).
    Even in tough economic conditions, my county's sheriff office has had multiple openings for deputies, crime scene techs, office staff, etc. :confused:

    Rusty
     
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    Really? That hasn't been my general experience with LPPD. I'm not trying to call you out or anything, just saying that mostly I would characterize any I've attitudes I've encountered as "indifferent."

    As for Detroit, well, I certainly don't go there unarmed. I'm encouraged that the DPD Chief is pro-gunowner but I don't hold out much hope for the future of the city. Of course I could be wrong, I was wrong when I thought that the appointment of an Emergency Manger would cause riots.
     
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