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DHS Letter To Senator Coburn: Ammunition Purchases

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by alsaqr, Mar 23, 2013.

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  1. PBR Streetgang

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    Armed agents must also be law enforcement officers who are currently active, retired or formerly qualified with at least four years of law enforcement experience. They must have completed basic law enforcement training from a federal, state or local government body. Officers are nominated by either an airport or aircraft operator. Though working under a government program, agents are not employed by the federal government. Rather, they are compensated by the nominating body.


    I took the above quote from the TSA webpage. If they are not Federal agents where do they get their powers? Who is the nominating body?
     
  2. blarby

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    I personally think we should have a Sam1911 Cynacism and Sarcasm corner.... Although it is fun to find his little gems all over the place. Its like finding unfired rounds in your brass bucket- factory ones, in calibers you shoot !
     
  3. Sam1911

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    You've got to read some of the math members here have done on this to better understand it. Post 5 is an example, but there have been lots better ones done before.

    These "vast" piles of ammo generally work out to something like 600-900 rounds per officer, per year. The kind of round count most of us would blow through in a couple of months! Certainly not a quantity that they could be stockpiling or sneaking home with them.

    And, in fact, distressingly little for folks we HIRE to wield arms in the enforcement of laws, out in public ... but that's always the case it seems.
     
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    If I had 600-900 rounds allocated for practice each year as part of my job, I'd certainly use them all. I know some folks who would blow through that many rounds at the range in a few months, but it would certainly cover my needs for a longer period. Many, but not all, of the police officers I know would consider 900 rounds a lifetime supply.
     
  5. JohnBT

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    I wonder how much of the DHS ammo is shot by other agencies at one of the Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers run by DHS.

    "More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department's training center last year." - Referring to the center in Georgia.
     
  6. 303tom

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    Beeeens my tax $ paid for some of that ammo, I want my ammo back...............
     
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    Oddly enough National Guard units only get 9 rounds for zero and 40 qualification rounds annually. I am concerned about the MAXX Pro MRAP purchases. What do they need them for?
     
  8. herkyguy

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    to tow the drones...duh.

    whoa....i think one just flew over me.
     
  9. thralldad

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    Doh. should have tought of that!
     
  10. 12many

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    I am amazed by the numbers. 250 million rounds in inventory. Another 100 million rounds ordered. 100,000 agents not to mention all the admin/support staff And I don't think this inlcudes FBI, secret service, or the local police/sherrif/HP forces, or the agencies I don't know of or did not list.

    The amount the government spends and how many people who are on the government dole never ceases to amaze me. It would be interesting to see the numbers over the 50 years.

    One a side note, we have been watching I Love Lucy re-runs lately. Oh how the world has changed, and I am not that old.
     
  11. barnbwt

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    Ba-zing! :D

    According to our frenemy "infowars" :)rolleyes:), another 360,000 rounds have been ordered (or, knowing Alex Jones, that's the quantity that's been fulfilled of the XX-billion round IDIQ contract :rolleyes:), which is a quantity that is miniscule at best for an octopus the size of the montrous DHS.

    I've been saying the real question should be the wisdumb of allowing a psuedo-para-military organization to become large enough that it can justifiably buy Federal-Army-size quantities of ammunition, equipment, and personnel. Combining these agencies under one roof in the name of increased cooperative efficiency (which is doubtless impossible for such politicized organizations) and increased data sharing (which is happening, but doesn't seem to actually improve intelligence dissemination based on all the intel SNAFUs we've had lately) only served to remove the checks and balances between the organizations and how they competed for dollars and justified their own existences. It was akin to merging the Congressional houses and the President under one Office so as to increase the efficiency of law-making :uhoh:

    Related question; how many rounds did the Russians/Bloc have squirreled away at their peak? Seems like they had enough to actively sustain our civilian militia for, what, 30 some-odd years now? Too bad they'll be no other free countries to sell our old milsurp to once the republic collapses (j/k ;))

    TCB
     
  12. shafter

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    On one end of the spectrum we have a little crowd of gun owners ready to start a revolution at the drop of a tinfoil hat. On the other side is a chorus of gun owners merrily singing la la la and preaching from the gospel of "Common Sense" in order to win lost souls from the anti gun side.

    I think both are equally stupid and equally dangerous. Pay attention, keep your guard up and don't discount anything ANYONE says or does at the federal level.
     
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    Whatever they don't shoot is probably getting sold at the local gun shows :)
     
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    This one is done....
     
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