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Did this work, or was it impossible?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by daorhgih, Jul 4, 2011.

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  1. daorhgih

    daorhgih member

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    While I was on vacation in South Viet Nam a few decades ago, the "Air Police" in and around Da Nang City and Da Nang Air Base were using .38/.357 pistols exclusively. Their "miracle round" of that day was a .357 pill consisting of 3 or 4 wad-cutters swaged into one bullet, stacked nose-into-tail to get the proper length. There was room for enough powder to get good speed, and the round wouldn't chamber of course in a .38. (I bought my first personal weapon, an MAB .22lr auto-loader from Algeria, in 1968 after I'd been out a few months, so my nomenclature may be faulty on this point.) So, was that a good concept (I believe it was for dog- and crowd-control) and is it used anywhere in this century? Thanks. L1S1
     
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    Either one of the major ammo makers or one of the "custom" makers was selling such a load several years ago IIRC. 4 40gr wadcutters one on top of the other like stacked clay pigeons. Don't know how effective it was,but can't say I'd want to beshot with it.
     
  3. Walkalong

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    There was an article in G&A years ago about loading these thin wadcutters in .38 and .357 cases.

    2 or 3 in the Spl and 3 or 4 in the .357 cases, but I do not remember for sure which.
     
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    My first shot at my CCW class was 3 round balls out of a 357 case , the instructor liked the concept but not the timing ???

    I told I was hoping 1 would be in the middle so I`d have somthing to aim at on the B-27 target !!
     
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    http://hellinahandbasket.net/?p=6808

    Hell In A Handbasket did a write-up a bit back

    Winchester makes a .410 Judge-tailored load
    Winchester Supreme Elite, PDX1, 2 ½ inch Ammunition for Personal Defense, 12 plated BBs, and 3 plated Cylinder Projectiles
    [​IMG]

    You can only send so much kinetic energy out the front of your gun the way I see it, I think that modern expanding loads have exceeded the capabilities of a single wadcutter, and I'd suspect that modern expanding ammo will deliver better than multiple lighter wadcutters, but I don't have testing on it.
     
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    Back in the early 1970's I was flattening 00 Buck with a hammer and then sizing it to .357" diameter in a Lyman 450 sizer. I greased up some thin card wads that I cut with the top punch on the Lyman sizer and placed one between each of the flattened shot. I then weighed the three shot and came up with an appropriate powder charge and proceeded to test them on anything I could find to shoot them at in the desert area where I was living and working at the time.

    The penetration wasn't the greatest, but at about 10 yards they formed into a nice triangular pattern on paper about 2" to 3" across. I finally decided it was too much trouble and went back to casting bullets.

    Hope this helps.

    Fred
     
  7. daorhgih

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    Thanks!

    GP100man, BigFat, & Fred, thanks for the info; all questions have been answered.
     
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