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Difference between a suppressor and a silencer?

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by macadore, Nov 10, 2010.

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  1. macadore

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    What is the difference between a suppressor and a silencer? Is there a threshold where a suppressor becomes a silencer? Would it require a tax stamp to put something on a firearm to muffle the sound but not silence it.?
     
  2. JoeMal

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    Silencer does just that; makes less noise when firing a round. Suppressors suppress the amount of muzzle blast, affecting flash and recoil
     
  3. Zombiphobia

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    It's essentially the same thing.
     
  4. TexasRifleman

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    A tax stamp is required if an item decreases the sound by any amount.

     
  5. Jim Watson

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    In 1909 Hiram Percy Maxim (son of the MG designer) patented the baffle type firearms silencer.

    Circa 1980 somebody noticed that a silencer did not make a gun completely quiet and decided the device needed a new name and started calling it a suppressor.

    It is all the same thing, just depending on how tactical you want to sound.
     
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    Does that mean something like a cannon could be suppressed legally without paperwork?
     
  7. M-Cameron

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    from my understanding, if it cannot be readily attached to a firearm, then its good......

    ....although a cannon silencer would be massive, most likely larger than the cannon its self. .....and yes, its been done

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    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?47489-Tank-Silencers
     
  8. jmorris

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    By the definition of law they are the same thing. Like saying warm heat.
     
  9. Zombiphobia

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    Cameron- Holy.. Crap!!!

    It wouldn't surprise me, though, to find out a General procured that for his own personal amusement.
     
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    "Silencer" was a trademark of the Maxim Company for a suppressor.
     
  11. macadore

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    Thanks for the responses. It would be nice if one could bring the report of a handgun down to the point that it didn't damage your hearing. I fail to see why that is criminal activity.
     
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    This must be some new definition of the word silence that I wasn't previously aware of...
     
  13. M-Cameron

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    dont you know.....if suppressors were freely sold, the number of hitmen and gang members would increase 4 fold.....it would be a blood bath and no criminals would ever get caught........


    but in all seriousness.....in many countries, silencers are freely sold and are considered "neighborly"..........
     
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    You can and its not criminal if you do it legally. All of my form 4's and 1's read "silencer" but from 1c of the instructions you could also fill it out as "muffler".
     
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    The ATF paperwork will absolutely describe it as a SILENCER, because that is what the law calls it.

    It does not matter what the vendor, the owner, the "black ops," or the internet would rather call it.

    A GEMTECH HALO "silencer" fired with M193 ball ammo still requires ear protection on the firing line. Sounds about like an un-suppressed .22 magnum.
     
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    Not new at all. The feds merely define (since 1934) a gun muffler or silencer as anything that reduces the noise of a portable firearm. Nothing to do with reality.

    Ranb
     
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    Are the kiln cleaners considered firearms though? If it's just considered a tool it probably isn't regulated, like a nail gun isn't an AOW.

    If you ask someone about suppressors you may get different answers since a flash suppressor will pop into some peoples minds and a sound suppressor will come to mind in others. But I do prefer the term suppressor since it does suppress the sound, it doesn't silence it, so it's less misleading to folks who's only experience is from movies.

    It's my understanding that "Silencer" was the brand name Maxim used on his invention. These days the Maxim Silencer company builds "silencers" for other products: http://www.maximsilencers.com/

    Rather than the original (although he also invented engine silencer/mufflers back then too), back when you could pick them up at hardware stores for a couple dollars.

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    "Suppressor" or "sound suppressor" and "silencer" are the same thing. The law uses the term "silencer" but then says that any device that reduces the sound of a firearm is a "silencer."

    Some purists, insisting that "silencers don't silence" (a few really do), began to use the term "suppressor", but that only satisfies the ego, it doesn't change the law. I have heard that some folks have tried to argue in court that they didn't have a "silencer", but a "suppressor" and therefore were not violating the law. There is a term for those folks - jailhouse lawyers.

    Jim
     
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    post #7 - tank balls?

    Seriously - think of the pressure that has to be able to withstand! Yikes!!!
     
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    Plenty of other suppressors on the market are hearing safe.
     
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    I just got my Form 4 back (approved :)) and in section 4.b. "Type of Firearm" mine says Suppressor.
     
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    One of the form 1’s or 4’s that I have was approved without a signature. It’s just like every desk job, things slip by from time to time. Almost makes me want to send in a MG form 1 just to see what happens.
     
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    Silencer, means you are watching a movie
    suppressor, means you are IRL

    there is no such thing as a silencer that I am aware of, a suppressor is a muzzle device that suppresses the sound coming out of the muzzel... but it is most definitely not silent
     
  25. DannyinJapan

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    Silencer is the term used by the inventor, so I suppose that makes it "correct." There is really only one gun I know of that was ever actually "silenced." - The DeLisle Carbine.
    More than having a large integral "silencer", it also had a felt-lined chamber to catch expended shells. (so they wouldn't hit the ground and make any noise)
     
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