RoostRider
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So, I have a son with a former GF of mine who is a bit of a GreenPeacer (she actually worked for them.. lol), and a vegetarian (when it suits her mood... lol)... as you might assume, she isn't a big fan of guns.... luckily, her new boyfriend likes guns, and that has tempered her somewhat....
my son is 13 years old (today)... he never showed a lot of interest in shooting until recently, and being a non pushy type of parent (and knowing no boy could resist guns forever), I just let him do his own thing... anyways, that's why he hasn't taken a Gun/Hunter Safety Course yet....
He is a pretty mature and responsible kid. So, my plan was to give him a Ruger 10/22 .22 semi-auto rifle for his 13th birthday and sign him up for a Safety Course.... naturally, I thought I'd run this past his mom (she would find out either way)...
He has gone shooting with me several times now and it's a blast. He also loves to play airsoft and that has helped him to grow to like guns.... I have taught him all of the rules of safe gun handling, and also all of the rules of safe airsoft handling.... which is similar, but not the same as gun handling rules...
When I mentioned this B-day present idea to his mom she said "obviously you didn't hear about 'The Incident'".... *don don dooooon*.... "what incident?".... and she goes on to explain to me that she had just taken away his airsoft guns because she came to his bedroom door and knocked, and he said "come in"... and when she came in the door, he stuck his airsoft shotgun in her face and pulled the trigger.... luckily for her, he was right and there was no ammo in the gun... but it still blows out a burst of air and it scared the heck out of her.... she hit the roof (rightly so) and took away all of his airsoft guns (rightly so)... and then told him that he could not have the airsoft guns back until he took a Gun Safety Course.... which is good because he needs to take the course, and I need her to help out since the courses are multi-day and she will have him some of the time that he needs to be in a class....
But here's the part I have issue with.... she is associating these toys with real guns.... she says that he acted irresponsibly with his airsoft (and I agree), and that this demonstrates that he is not mature enough to handle real weapons (I disagree).... I have seen him handle real guns, and he is very respectful of them (even others comment on the care he takes).... the rules for airsoft around here that he broke are "Never shoot at someone who doesn't agree to be shot at", "Never shoot at someone who isn't wearing proper eye/face protection", "Never shoot at the head" and the basic "wow that's freaking RUDE.... and WHAT THE HECK WERE YOU THINKING???... and your mom of all people!!!..."...
I differ with her that this should be treated like he violated a firearm safety rule... first, the thing is not a firearm, it is a toy and he was taught that it was a toy, and that, under certain conditions, it was OK to shoot this toy at people... he did violate airsoft rules ("it's unloaded" doesn't hold any more water with airsoft than with a real gun..... he could be wrong and cause someone real harm!).... but she thinks this shows that he isn't able to handle a real gun (which he has)....
I explained to her that although I would be giving him this gun, it would be no different than if I owned the gun and took him shooting with it.... it would stay in my safe, he would not have access to it without me, and I would be supervising him whenever he would use it.... it was more symbolic than anything, but a symbolism that I hoped would keep him interested in this thing we like to do together... and someday I would let him take the gun with him...
She still insisted that this was a bad idea and that he should not "Be rewarded for misusing one gun by being given an even bigger gun".... which I have issue with because this thing is really just a toy that looks like a gun, and if he had misused some other item in a dangerous way, she would not associate it with guns (I used throwing a rock as an example... assuming he was trying to narrowly miss her or something equally stupid and irresponsible).... she admitted that she wouldn't associate it with guns, and then goes back to how the airsoft is a gun, so it does relate...
I explained to her that, had we taught him to treat that airsoft gun with the same respect as a real gun, it would be very telling of whether he was mature enough to handle a real gun... but because we didn't use that same rule structure, or strict rule structure, it really wasn't the same... what he did was act stupid with a toy.... I even told her that we could implement a "same as a gun" rule with his airsoft, if she thought that was best.... but that punishing him as though it were a gun violation, when it was really a toy, doesn't seem right to me....
She says she is still OK with me taking him shooting.... which is the same net result as if I give him the .22... *sigh*
We have always maintained separate houses with separate rules and separate punishments for whatever he does.... but she thinks this should be different.... *sigh*
So, do I panic and go out and find him a different present for his birthday, and sort of fold to his moms issue about this being a "gun safety" issue... or do I just go ahead with what I think is right, and possibly stir the pot?
my son is 13 years old (today)... he never showed a lot of interest in shooting until recently, and being a non pushy type of parent (and knowing no boy could resist guns forever), I just let him do his own thing... anyways, that's why he hasn't taken a Gun/Hunter Safety Course yet....
He is a pretty mature and responsible kid. So, my plan was to give him a Ruger 10/22 .22 semi-auto rifle for his 13th birthday and sign him up for a Safety Course.... naturally, I thought I'd run this past his mom (she would find out either way)...
He has gone shooting with me several times now and it's a blast. He also loves to play airsoft and that has helped him to grow to like guns.... I have taught him all of the rules of safe gun handling, and also all of the rules of safe airsoft handling.... which is similar, but not the same as gun handling rules...
When I mentioned this B-day present idea to his mom she said "obviously you didn't hear about 'The Incident'".... *don don dooooon*.... "what incident?".... and she goes on to explain to me that she had just taken away his airsoft guns because she came to his bedroom door and knocked, and he said "come in"... and when she came in the door, he stuck his airsoft shotgun in her face and pulled the trigger.... luckily for her, he was right and there was no ammo in the gun... but it still blows out a burst of air and it scared the heck out of her.... she hit the roof (rightly so) and took away all of his airsoft guns (rightly so)... and then told him that he could not have the airsoft guns back until he took a Gun Safety Course.... which is good because he needs to take the course, and I need her to help out since the courses are multi-day and she will have him some of the time that he needs to be in a class....
But here's the part I have issue with.... she is associating these toys with real guns.... she says that he acted irresponsibly with his airsoft (and I agree), and that this demonstrates that he is not mature enough to handle real weapons (I disagree).... I have seen him handle real guns, and he is very respectful of them (even others comment on the care he takes).... the rules for airsoft around here that he broke are "Never shoot at someone who doesn't agree to be shot at", "Never shoot at someone who isn't wearing proper eye/face protection", "Never shoot at the head" and the basic "wow that's freaking RUDE.... and WHAT THE HECK WERE YOU THINKING???... and your mom of all people!!!..."...
I differ with her that this should be treated like he violated a firearm safety rule... first, the thing is not a firearm, it is a toy and he was taught that it was a toy, and that, under certain conditions, it was OK to shoot this toy at people... he did violate airsoft rules ("it's unloaded" doesn't hold any more water with airsoft than with a real gun..... he could be wrong and cause someone real harm!).... but she thinks this shows that he isn't able to handle a real gun (which he has)....
I explained to her that although I would be giving him this gun, it would be no different than if I owned the gun and took him shooting with it.... it would stay in my safe, he would not have access to it without me, and I would be supervising him whenever he would use it.... it was more symbolic than anything, but a symbolism that I hoped would keep him interested in this thing we like to do together... and someday I would let him take the gun with him...
She still insisted that this was a bad idea and that he should not "Be rewarded for misusing one gun by being given an even bigger gun".... which I have issue with because this thing is really just a toy that looks like a gun, and if he had misused some other item in a dangerous way, she would not associate it with guns (I used throwing a rock as an example... assuming he was trying to narrowly miss her or something equally stupid and irresponsible).... she admitted that she wouldn't associate it with guns, and then goes back to how the airsoft is a gun, so it does relate...
I explained to her that, had we taught him to treat that airsoft gun with the same respect as a real gun, it would be very telling of whether he was mature enough to handle a real gun... but because we didn't use that same rule structure, or strict rule structure, it really wasn't the same... what he did was act stupid with a toy.... I even told her that we could implement a "same as a gun" rule with his airsoft, if she thought that was best.... but that punishing him as though it were a gun violation, when it was really a toy, doesn't seem right to me....
She says she is still OK with me taking him shooting.... which is the same net result as if I give him the .22... *sigh*
We have always maintained separate houses with separate rules and separate punishments for whatever he does.... but she thinks this should be different.... *sigh*
So, do I panic and go out and find him a different present for his birthday, and sort of fold to his moms issue about this being a "gun safety" issue... or do I just go ahead with what I think is right, and possibly stir the pot?