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Dilemma in ‘08

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Intune, Oct 24, 2004.

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  1. Intune

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    So let’s say Kerry wins this election and does fair in the next four years. Will the Dem’s usurp him with Hillary? Do the Repubs go with Ms. Rice and hope to garner the minority vote? In my 46 years on this earth I have seen a lot of political gamesmanship and I believe we need to go back to basics. What does the Constitution allow? Government should go no further. I have a 13 yo and a 9 yo. I am concerned about their future. Am I wrong to be really worried about the future of our beloved country?
     
  2. JHill

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    I hear ya Intune.

    It is good that you are looking a head.

    We might want to take into consideration that they(repubs) are trying to amend the COTUS to allow good ole conservative Arnold to be a pres in the future.
     
  3. MICHAEL T

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    Mine are 14,12,10 and I worry about what kind of country ,their will have. Things need to change .:(
     
  4. JHill

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    Hey what do you guys think of Peroutka and Paul (Ron) in 08?
     
  5. Intune

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    They have to bring a truck load of people aboard with their messages. We are hurting, it may be an option. Prove it. Them, not you! ;)
     
  6. Zrex

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    Peroutka and the "Constitution" party talk about god way too much. If you want to talk about God, go to church, but the last thing I want is some sort
    of pseudo-conservative theocracy running things.

    Paul ran for president in 88. I highly doubt he would run again. Dr. Rice for president? What has she done that is so great besides being a black woman? I dont mean to be harsh, but if Dr. Rice were a white male, Dr. Rice would hardly be noteworthy.

    Change in this country has to happen from the bottom up.
     
  7. Intune

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    Condoleezza Rice is the first woman to occupy the key post of national security adviser.

    She is the most academic member of the Bush foreign affairs team and - because of her gender, background and youth - one of the most distinctive.
    She is personally close to Mr Bush, barely leaving his side during the 2000 presidential election.

    And, as a well-liked and trusted policy adviser, she has proved a useful ally for a president with little experience of foreign affairs.
    Past advisers

    The profile of the national security adviser varies from one administration to the next, as does their power over policy.
    Some, like Ms Rice's mentor (and national security adviser to George Bush Snr), Brent Scowcroft, were important, but low-profile co-ordinators of foreign policy.
    Others, such as Bill Clinton's Sandy Berger, were more visible.
    Perhaps the most powerful and visible national security adviser of recent years was Henry Kissinger, who started as national security adviser to Richard Nixon and then became his secretary of state.
    Uncompromising positions

    Ms Rice's influence over the new administration's early foreign policy strategy has been considerable.
    She led the tricky negotiations with Russia (her academic specialisation) over missile defence, and is thought to have spearheaded the unilateralist tone of the first months of the Bush presidency.

    However, Ms Rice, like many in the administration, thinks of US foreign policy largely in terms of US national and strategic interest, and she is no fan of the US acting as a paternalistic nation-builder.

    Against the odds
    Ms Rice was born in 1954 and grew up in Birmingham, Alabama under the shadow of segregation.
    She has often said that to get ahead she had to be "twice as good" and her childhood chiseled her strong determination and self-respect.
    Taught by her parents that education provided armor against segregation and prejudice, Ms Rice worked her way to college by the age of 15.
    She graduated at 19 from the University of Denver with a degree in political science.

    Soviet interest
    It was at Denver that Ms Rice first became interested in international relations and the study of the Soviet Union.
    Her inspiration came from a course taught by the Czech refugee, Josef Korbel, father to the United States' first woman Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright.
    A masters and doctorate followed and, at the age of 26, Ms Rice became a fellow at Stanford University's Center for International Security and Arms Control.
    After serving as the Soviet affairs adviser on Bush Senior's National Security Council, Condoleezza Rice returned to Stanford in 1991 and, in 1993, became the youngest, the first female and first non-white provost.
    It is difficult to make generalizations about Condoleezza Rice. She is an African-American National Security Adviser, but for a Republican administration that won just 10% of the black vote.
    Some profiles of Rice describe her as precise and prissy. But she is also a pianist, ice skater and sports fan.
    Rice's belief in education and self-improvement seem to be the key to understanding her.

    In an interview with Newsweek magazine, Rice said that despite growing up with racial segregation, personal expectations were high.
    "My parents had me absolutely convinced that, well, you may not be able to have a hamburger at Woolworth's but you can be president of the United States."

    Beats a 20 year Senate record that is vying for prez right now in my book. Maybe it's just me? I HAVE A PLAN..............................
     
  8. Coronach

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    Rice is intelligent, competent and eloquent. She also has the benefit of not being an 'overt' politician (lets face it, no one gets appointed to be anything greater than Personal Assistant to the US Consul to Left Armpit, Ashcanistan without being somewhat political). Perfect? No. But pretty good? So far? Yeah. Pretty good.

    (I admit, I've not researched her thoroughly yet. This is just what I've seen so far.)

    Also, she's a strong female black. That's icing on the cake. Run her, run her, run her.

    Mike
     
  9. Intune

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    Somebody post Hillary (shudder) Clintons bio. No, really.
     
  10. Zrex

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    Does anyone know where she stands on the issues? Is she pro-freedom, or can she judged by the company she keeps?
     
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    Rice has been interviewed discussing the 2nd Amendment and was a VERY vocal supporter. Really seriously primo stuff...she's be GREAT as President :).
     
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    Condi Rice runs...she wins......

    Wont get all of the black vote (the vocal left loonie wing of the Jacksoncrats), and wont get the rascist vote (the ones who think only good old white American gun owners are the best whiles all the other races and nations are inferior criminals or cowards), but the vast number of Americans will recognize quality and vote her in


    Be so much fun to watch Jackson and Sharpton squirm

    WildshehasmyvoteAlaska
     
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    For a few years now I have thought she would run against HC, but not in this scenario. I thought Cheney would bow out and Rice would step in as the VP and in 4 years compete with HC for the top spot.

    If Kerry wins, HC is screwed.
     
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    That's the worst thing we could do, and not because Arnold isn't a genuine Conservative (only fiscally, by his own admission) either. It's hard enough ensuring the loyalty of someone born and raised in this country, can you imagine the scenarios it would open up if a foreign-born candidate could run for the presidency? Especially with all the hyphenated Americanism going on these days!?

    No, to put our nations' safety at risk solely to have the chance to elect a former action film star is insanity of the worst kind.
     
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    The ONLY good thing of a Kerry Presidency
     
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    I don't think even the most left of liberals would vote for HC.:scrutiny:
     
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    I think if Kerry wins (and is reelected a second term), the majority of firearms and ammunition might be banned within the next 8 years. This guy looks even worst than Slick Wilie on his stance on guns and ammunition. Even more scary, I think he has a better than 50% chance of winning.
     
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    Hillary will be good for the 'baby boomers.'

    She is into health care and low cost prescriptions for seniors as well as increased social security benefits. These are going to be very important issues in the near future because of the massive number of 'baby boomers' retiring.

    And with her husband Bill being head of the United Nations ..............
     
  19. Coronach

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    Uh...did you miss her current title?

    Someone voted for her. ;)

    Mike
     
  20. Standing Wolf

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    Relax. America isn't dumb enough to elect that Kerry creature.
     
  21. Coronach

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    Standing Wolf,

    If you're right, I'll buy you a beer for every time you've said that. If you're wrong, I'm giving you a wedgie for each. ;)

    Mike
     
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    I hope you are right.


    But, I don't share this optimism. I think America is plenty dumb to elect that socialist numbskull Kerry.
     
  23. Roon

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    Condi for Prez

    I don't think Condi would get 60-70% of the black vote, since she's a republican and has already been tarnished with the "Tom" brush by one of the idolized black folk, Harry Belefonte. She would have to win without her brothers and sisters of color, but I think she could do it.

    Sure as hell beats Hill! And a bunch of black folk would vote for her and as a republican, throwing the politics in this country into a true headspin. It would almost be another revolution.

    It's about time! :mad:
     
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    I dunno about that...

    I (perhaps over-hopefully) believe that if Kerry wins, the nation would gasp a collective 'oh-????-what-have-we-done' and wait to see what happens.

    He'd begin appointing assinine cabinet members right away and generally acting in a manner that would freak out even his supporters (what else would you expect from him?)...making all kinds of scary noise about every issue that is emotional and bound to get him some time in the spotlight.

    In '06 the republicans would sweep congress, mitigating somewhat the damage Kerry could do.

    In '08 Hillary (not electable by a long-shot anyway) would be out of the running and Kerry would have his ass handed to him by any candicate the GOP fields: My guess would be Giuliani, but who knows...maybe Condi would run (I'd certainly support her).

    In short: I think the conservative backlash against a liberal as stupid and politically driven as Kerry could be a good thing.
     
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    Coronach, that's 89 beers/wedgies by my count. Can I keep you to it?

    :D

    (Posted by a bored insomniac)
     
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